Nephilim

[Symmetry]

I meant all as in Mt. Hermon and the monolith and the trilithon specifically maybe. Are they not all in Lebanon? What if vibration or magnetism or antigravity or a combination were employed? Have you read about Edward Leedskalnin and Coral Castle before? A freemason single-handedly lifted and maneuvered blocks of coral weighing up to 30 tons in Florida using secret technology perhaps.

Look, I think we're now getting to the heart of why you're arguments are very difficult to take seriously.

1) You use a lot, and I do mean a lot, of anecdotal evidence. By that I mean you consider a story being told by someone to be true without considering the source, or the way that source draws on other sources.

2) You use a technique I like to call "what aboutery". When someone makes a significant argument against your theories, you don't address them, but rather start a new argument that runs something like "Ok- but what about...". Note that you don't propose a new theory. Just ask "What about...?"

3) God of the gaps. Really, you should look this up. Using the divine or the supernatural as a legitimate explanation for any event that is up for scientific debate at the moment does not make for a strong theory of God.

4) Sources- you post a lot from a handful of sources, none of which have any decent reputation. With no references. When you post you typically fail to explain the where, when and what of the things you post. You think you're arguing, but you may as well hold up a picture of a kitten, then a picture of the Great Wall of China and say "Nephilim". That's just annoying.

5) Doubt does not equal proof. I'm not sure if you really understand the scientific process, but an ocean full of doubts does not constitute a proof, no matter how you combine them. To give you a clear example- other beings recounted in folklore that I don't believe built the Great Pyramid include: vampires, Satan, ghosts, vampire-ghosts, demons, fertility godesses, witch-doctors, Achilles, and werewolves.

[Lionz]

I do not consider sources and I've posted no source that has any decent reputation? Do you consider Herodotus and Josephus and Pliny the Elder to be unreliable historians and do you consider the Washington Post and the New York Herald-Tribune and the Los Angeles Times to be unreliable news sources? Question to ask yourself and not answer in here. Also, what am I calling on the supernatural to explain and do you have some examples of significant arguments against theories that I've failed to address?

[Symmetry]

I do not consider sources and I've posted no source that has any decent reputation? Are Herodotus and Josephus and Pliny the Elder unreliable historians and do you consider the Washington Post or the New York Herald-Tribune or the Los Angeles Times to be unreliable news sources? Question to ask yourself and not answer in here. Also, what am I calling on the supernatural to explain and do you have some examples of significant arguments against theories that I've failed to address?

No, I don't consider Herodotus, Josephus, or Pliny the Elder particularly reliable. They're sources. When combined with other sources and other historians they support a theory.

Feel free to post a link to any article from the newspapers you listed, I'll tell you if I think the link has merit. Untill then, I'm just going to assume that you've copy-pasted those references from a bizarre website. You'll note that the we both agree the first of those modern references is either patently ridiculous, or a serious typo.

I'm not sure I understand "Question to ask yourself and not answer in here"
Are you continuing your suggestion that the onus is on me to disprove your ridiculous comments? You've yet to offer serious refutation of my only counter argument on this level- are you sure moon pigs made of cheese really didn't write Hamlet?

"What are you calling on the supernatural?" Angels it seems.

Significant arguments you've failed to address- well, you could start with looking at my points about the way that you argue, listed above.

[Lionz]

How about contact newspapers yourself if you feel there's no reliable source here?

http://clush.com/app.php?sub_top=sub_to ... 21%2C+1925

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... v=globebot

http://www.latimes.com/about/mediagroup ... customform

Question to ask yourself and not answer in here? Well, I don't want to cause you to judge someone in here or tempt you to lie in here maybe.

I might be sure of little to nothing, but are you comparing whether or not moon pigs made of cheese wrote Hamlet with whether or not aliens have visited earth and helped build structures on it? Can you provide evidence that moon pigs made of cheese did? If angels is a word used to refer to aliens who have walked earth in actual flesh bodies, then what am I calling on the supernatural to explain?

[Symmetry]

How about contact newspapers yourself if you feel there's no reliable source here?

http://clush.com/app.php?sub_top=sub_to ... 21%2C+1925

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... v=globebot

http://www.latimes.com/about/mediagroup ... customform

Question to ask yourself and not answer in here? Well, I don't want to cause you to judge someone in here or tempt you to lie in here maybe.

I might be sure of little to nothing, but are you comparing whether or not moon pigs made of cheese wrote Hamlet with whether or not aliens have visited earth and helped build structures on it? Can you provide evidence that moon pigs made of cheese did? If angels is a word used to refer to aliens who have walked earth in actual flesh bodies, then what am I calling on the supernatural to explain?

How about you post a link to the stories you're using as evidence? Or did you really just lift them from a dodgy site without checking them and then quote them here?

I am comparing moon pigs with angels. I can't provide any evidence, neither can you.

I'd say that by calling on unknown powers and forces to explain something you're calling on the supernatural.

Feel free to elaborate on your theory that angelic aliens created megalithic structures using magnets and antigravity.

[Lionz]

Are there 1920s newspapers in pdf form online? How about we contact the Washington Post and LA Times?

If you claim I've provided zero evidence that 10 plus foot tall humans have walked earth, can you define the word evidence for me?

I'm no magnet or antigravity expert by any means perhaps, but want me to try to find sites that have to do with magnet or antigravity theories? Neither one of us are trilithon experts and neither one of us claim to know where they came from maybe, but you have a worldview they contradict and I have a worldview they back up?

Can we get together a line of even a thousand logs that a 1,200,000 pound block would not crush and is there a modern tower crane that could lift a 50,000 pound block let alone a 1,200,000 pound one? How was one or more 1,200,000 pound block moved 3/4 of a mile or so uphill and then pushed up an earth ramp 26 or so feet thousands of years ago if that was done somehow?

[b.k. barunt]

How about contact newspapers yourself if you feel there's no reliable source here?

http://clush.com/app.php?sub_top=sub_to ... 21%2C+1925

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/co ... v=globebot

http://www.latimes.com/about/mediagroup ... customform

Question to ask yourself and not answer in here? Well, I don't want to cause you to judge someone in here or tempt you to lie in here maybe.

I might be sure of little to nothing, but are you comparing whether or not moon pigs made of cheese wrote Hamlet with whether or not aliens have visited earth and helped build structures on it? Can you provide evidence that moon pigs made of cheese did? If angels is a word used to refer to aliens who have walked earth in actual flesh bodies, then what am I calling on the supernatural to explain?

How about you post a link to the stories you're using as evidence? Or did you really just lift them from a dodgy site without checking them and then quote them here?

I am comparing moon pigs with angels. I can't provide any evidence, neither can you.

I'd say that by calling on unknown powers and forces to explain something you're calling on the supernatural.

Feel free to elaborate on your theory that angelic aliens created megalithic structures using magnets and antigravity.

Disappointing deflection here - you asked for links to the newspapers he mentioned and he gave some good ones. You refuse to address these links and instead respond with another deflective question . . .

Why do Darwinian scientists have such a problem with these skeletons? Could you provide a link where they have debunked the evidence that these papers made mention of? Seems to me that they simply ignore such evidence and refuse to investigate it. Why is that?


Honibaz

[Johnny Rockets]

Did YOU check those links? They just link to the main home pages of said periodicals.
No article, no declaration of scientific find, no substance at all. Completely irrelevant to the argument.

That would be like me saying the moon is made of cheese, and to back it up posting NASA's web page.

Oh, and the first link that Lion gave was to a search engine giving a list of f*ck wit websites jerking off to this fallacy. Just like the REST of his sources.

Why do Darwinian scientists have such a problem with these skeletons?
They Don't. Post a reputable source from any scientific institute that has an issue with these.That even support that they aren't hoaxes. That give them an ounce of credibility.

I'm telling ya, Barunt. I'm a little confused with your position here.
I didn't take you for a believer in this sort of mystical fairy tale P.T. Barnum pap that these chowder heads lap up.

Or are you just out to troll Symms?

Johnny Rockets

[Johnny Rockets]

And after searching and searching, I can't find where they debunked the evidence. You are correct when you state that they completely ignore the subject.

You want to know why?

The same reason NASA won't fly France's finest Master Cheese Makers to the fucking moon.
Just saying it's made of cheese won't make it so. All of these giant skeleton finds have been proven to be photo shopped. None of these giant skelly's are on display in any museum. Why the f*ck might that be? Any source you can find supporting this urban myth are crack pot websites for the weak minded dribbling idiot surfing caste.

Give it up already.

JR

[Lionz]

Did I not refer to a search results page with sources that suggest the Washington Post and the LA Times and the New York Herald-Tribune have backed up giant remains being found and refer to contact pages for Washington Post and the LA Times? Where are main home pages referred to? And why are you so angry if you are and are for some reason? How about simply go away if you want?

[b.k. barunt]

Did YOU check those links? They just link to the main home pages of said periodicals.
No article, no declaration of scientific find, no substance at all. Completely irrelevant to the argument.

That would be like me saying the moon is made of cheese, and to back it up posting NASA's web page.

Oh, and the first link that Lion gave was to a search engine giving a list of f*ck wit websites jerking off to this fallacy. Just like the REST of his sources.

Why do Darwinian scientists have such a problem with these skeletons?
They Don't. Post a reputable source from any scientific institute that has an issue with these.That even support that they aren't hoaxes. That give them an ounce of credibility.

I'm telling ya, Barunt. I'm a little confused with your position here.
I didn't take you for a believer in this sort of mystical fairy tale P.T. Barnum pap that these chowder heads lap up.

Or are you just out to troll Symms?

Johnny Rockets

Trolling Symms? Whythefuck would i troll Symms? I don't even know the guy.

Like i said before, i've seen reports of these skeletons from time to time for many years now and have been intrigued with such, mainly because such reports are always followed by silence from the scientific community. I've never seen or heard of any scientists investigating them or providing evidence to refute them - just silence. Given such odd behavior from the scientific community at large, i don't think it makes me a "believer" in fairy tales to say "Whatthefuck?".

I'd simply like to see these skeletons addressed by the scientific community - too much to ask? Wtf??


Honibaz

[Lionz]

But the skeptic has a right to ask: If the Bible is true, where is the EVIDENCE for these huge beings? Where are the displays in the museums? Where are the archaeological reports that record the discovery of their remains? This is a fair question. If one goes to any of the major museums, you will not find any exhibits of giant human beings. Search the Smithsonian galleries, for example, and you will see not a single giant bone or footprint cast on display. The clear impression given is that evidence of giants has never been found, and, intentionally or not, this tends to cast the Biblical record in an unfavorable light.

Yet concluding such evidence does not exist at all would be quite wrong! Reputable reports, found in the pages of older newspapers and magazines and given by credible witnesses, of the discovery of such remains HAVE come to light from time to time. The problem is, there is a reigning paradigm within the enclave of professional anthropologists which spills over into our museums, and which allows no place for such "anomalous artifacts." The gatekeepers of our major museums adhere to an orthodoxy which mandates that such oddities as giant skulls be kept under wraps, reserved for the eyes of insiders only, presumably lest the unsophisticated begin to doubt the officially-sanctioned history of humanity.

[Lionz]

What do you know about freemasonry? It's quite related to goat images and upside down stars in pentagons and one or more degree system and is also called the Craft perhaps. What does it not have in common with witchcraft and how many US presidents and supreme court justices and astronauts have there been who have not been masons? Seen an upside down star like image in streets north of the whitehouse pointing at the whitehouse or a giant obelisk south of the whitehouse? Know what the so called statue of liberty represents? Seen novus ordo seclorum on the back of one dollar bills? I might not be a fan of Notre Dame or so called Catholicism, but is this not a link to a Notre Dame site with a Latin translator that has that translated regardless of what the History channel says and does not say?

http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin ... o+seclorum

SECLORUM = world/universe; secular/temporal/earthly/worldly affairs/cares/temptation;? Does NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM not mean New Secular World Order or at least something like that? Are we living in one?

[MeDeFe]

This is proof that god listens.

[Lionz]

4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against YHWH, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: YHWH shall have them in derision.

4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[Lionz]

“Only small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity.” - Marshall McLuhan media ‘guru’.

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."- Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)

Most intellectuals, pseudo and otherwise, deal with the conspiratorial theory of history simply by ignoring it. They never attempt to refute the evidence. It can't be refuted. If and when the silent treatment doesn't work, these "objective" scholars and mass media opinion molders resort to personal attacks, ridicule and satire. The personal attacks tend to divert attention from the facts which an author or speaker is trying to expose. The idea is to force the person exposing the conspiracy to stop the exposure and spend his time and effort defending himself.

[Lionz]

Maybe I've misquoted and you should search for stuff yourself.

[2dimes]

I expected to see 1 cor 3:18-20 in that first group.

so all the giant's bones are stashed and I can't have a refreshing beverage and look at any of them unless we dig one up ourselves?

[Johnny Rockets]

Ah yes. The Truth is Out There.

These fictitious bones, along with the mummified remains of Santa Claus and The Loch Ness Monster are in a warehouse.......the same one Indiana Jone's Ark of the Covenant is being stored.....by Masons and the Illuminati.

You must have experiences some significant oxygen deprivation in your developing years to truly believe this.

...... mainly because such reports are always followed by silence from the scientific community. I've never seen or heard of any scientists investigating them or providing evidence to refute them - just silence. Given such odd behavior from the scientific community at large, i don't think it makes me a "believer" in fairy tales to say "Whatthefuck?".

I'd simply like to see these skeletons addressed by the scientific community - too much to ask? Wtf??


Honibaz

Yeah. It is too much to ask. Their research can be done in 5 min, and finding that the source photo was a PHOTOSHOP CONTEST ENTRY!!. This was jacked by a couple of tabloids....the same ones that circulate Bat Boy stories, Elvis sightings, and print headlines like: Giant Salmon Eats Water Skier!!"

Seriously man. Walk up to any anthropologist and bring it up in discussion. After he laughs his ass off he'll give you some crayons and coloring books, pat you on your head and send you on your way.

Did I not refer to a search results page with sources that suggest the Washington Post and the LA Times and the New York Herald-Tribune have backed up giant remains being found and refer to contact pages for Washington Post and the LA Times? Where are main home pages referred to? And why are you so angry if you are and are for some reason? How about simply go away if you want?

No. You did not. Check your own links. The ones you posted do not go to any kind of article at all. Now your posting more fantasy nonsense about secret organizations that are hiding the concrete evidence of your assertions. I'm going onto ebay to ship you over a crate of logic. Next month I'll air drop you some credibility. Both of your tanks are bone dry.

I'm not angry. I'm not going away. I refuse to let my species wallow in ignorance so I eradicate it whenever I find it rearing it's ugly head. You sir, are a tough nut to crack
Logic slides off your brain like a fried egg in a new Teflon pan.

-Your sources are shite.
-You can't provide a shred of proof, save for blogs and hearsay and nut-job conspiracy sites.
-No recognized museum , or scientific organization, or university backs up your "evidence"
-Quoting bible scripture does not a relevant argument make.

And now that you obviously can't back up your outlandish claims with a shred of credible evidence, you shift the argument to the Masons, Illuminati, and other master manipulators of the global population.

When we beat your home schooled logic to death about this new fantasy you've brought up, I'm sure you'll just trump us with a recounting of how God told you this was true in your sleep, and bring it back around full circle to a issue of faith.

See you soon!


Johnny Rockets

[2dimes]

Grab your shovel Rockets, we're going for some shwarma.

[Lionz]

2dimes,

You might be able to find some giant remains scattered here and there.



That's an image from a slideshow that I used a Prt Scr button technique on and it should include more for all I know maybe.

Johnny,

- You provide textbook ad hominem?

- And provide a textbook strawman referring to a single photo?

- If I didn't refer to a search results page and to contact pages for the Washington Post and the LA Times, then what did I refer to?

- Can you define proof and credible evidence?

- And did you miss a quote that refers to resorting to personal attacks, ridicule and satire?

[Johnny Rockets]

2dimes,

You might be able to find some giant remains scattered here and there.



That's an image from a slideshow that I used a Prt Scr button technique on and it should include more for all I know maybe.

Johnny,

- You provide a textbook strawman referring to a single photo?

- If I didn't refer to a search results page and to contact pages for the Washington Post and the LA Times, then what did I refer to?

- Can you define proof and credible evidence?

- And did you miss a quote that refers to personal attacks, ridicule and satire?

Do you know EXACTLY which Rout 66 gas station and burger bar this side show display is at?

Credible evidence would be from any museum or university in Europe, United states or Canada. Understand that anyone can build a website and post content about anything, real or fake. This might come as a shock to you but some times the websites you have referenced and visited might be wrong, lying to you, or built by other logically challenged individuals who have issues with defining the borders of reality.

- And did you miss a quote that refers to personal attacks, ridicule and satire?

I guess I did. Point it out to me will you?

Now hold on: I'm going to stop here and search your posted links for giant skeletons.

brb

[Johnny Rockets]

Back!

Thanks for your patience.

Well, I was hoping to find something....but no. Unsurprisingly, when you type Giant Skeleton into the L.A. Times or the Washington Post websites, nothing in their archives comes up about your delusional fairy tales.

However the search engine link that you posted:
http://clush.com/app.php?sub_top=sub_to ... 21%2C+1925

Which would work the same a Google by the way, comes up with a pretty concise list of all the bunk, whacked science and non credible sources you have posted in this thread.

It's simple, Lion. When I want to learn how to fly an F-18, I don't phone Tom Cruise for lessons. Shocking I know, because in the movie Top Gun he seemed pretty competent.

Learn to differentiate between the educated professionals who analyze scientific data and samples from the ones who theorize internet postings and images.

Johnny Rockets

[2dimes]

HA!!eleventy

Johnny Rockets busted for the fraud he is. Everyone knows the navy was still using F-14s when Top Gun the movie was filmed. Now get your shovel.

Does anyone have a Lebonese phrase book we can borrow?

[Lionz]

It's from a private gold museum and here's another shot from it showing another giant head maybe...



A gold museum you can learn more about with Ancient American, Volume 5, Issue #34, pages 36-38 and more about here? http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/S.Am/Royal.Incas.html

What would be so hard to believe about a 9 foot 6 guy having walked earth in the past? Was Robert Wadlow not 8 foot 11?















How about go to page 13 and CTRL F search personal attacks, ridicule and satire? You missed a quote that you've increased irony in?

Do you expect to be able to pull up newspapers from the 1920s using a search function on a Los Angeles Times or Washington Post website? Maybe you thought I was claiming something I was not claiming. How about we simply contact the Washington Post and ask if it reported on 6/21/1925 that a mining party reported finding skeletons 10 to 12 feet in length?