Freedom of Information vs Right to Privacy

[bedub1]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

[Woodruff]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

[Phatscotty]

The Zimmermans are a couple of dumbasses, but their records were released because the prosecutor overcharged Zimmerman (2nd degree) so, as usual, the prosecutor will have to practice her best slimeball tactics to try to maximize every single thing about Zimmerman, and release it all to the public.

This is not a court case, it's a street justice case. The prosecutor wants to get re-elected this fall, and the Democrat party has registered over 200,000 voters solely at all the Trayvon Rallies the past few months. There is a lot more going on than meets the eye.

[huamulan]

Aren't all trials televised in America? If this trial is being played out on TV then it entered the realm of 'street justice' way before the bank statements were released.

[bedub1]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.

[Phatscotty]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.

Privacy it seems is no loner a right. We have been too busy fighting over social wedge issues to care or notice. Rand Paul is currently working on reclaiming the issue of privacy along with the entire 4th amendment. For anyone who cares about privacy, please support Rand Paul and people who will stand with Rand on this issue. He says he has a significant amount of Congressional Democrats on board, so it's okay for the rest of you to come out and not auto-attack this effort because he has an R in front of his name.

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

[Woodruff]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.

That seems like a pretty shitty move, and I would THINK perhaps legally troublesome for the prosecutor. How can they justify doing that from a legal (as in "The Zimmermans won't sue") perspective?

[Woodruff]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

I'm not much up on legal mumbo-jumbo...doesn't it matter who they release them to (like the court)? Does it specify?

It's my understanding that they released the bank statements to the public. You can go look at them if you want to.

Privacy it seems is no loner a right.

That's been the case since before the Patriot Act, unfortunately.

We have been too busy fighting over social wedge issues to care or notice. Rand Paul is currently working on reclaiming the issue of privacy along with the entire 4th amendment. For anyone who cares about privacy, please support Rand Paul and people who will stand with Rand on this issue. He says he has a significant amount of Congressional Democrats on board, so it's okay for the rest of you to come out and not auto-attack this effort because he has an R in front of his name.

I don't have the same good feeling about Rand that I do about his father. I definitely don't see them in the same vein.

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

[Night Strike]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


And Rand Paul is working to prohibit law enforcement officials from using drones without search warrants.

[Woodruff]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.

Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?

[Night Strike]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.

Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?

I'm posting facts about the issue.

[Symmetry]

As far as I can tell, the info was released as evidence that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman had been, shall we say, less than truthful with the court. More specifically, that Mr Zimmerman needed to have his bail revoked, and Mrs Zimmerman is now standing accused of perjury.

[Woodruff]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.

Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?

I'm posting facts about the issue.

Because only liberals do that shit. You post almost exactly half of the facts about any given issue. I'll leave it to you to figure out which half I think is missing.

[Woodruff]

As far as I can tell, the info was released as evidence that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman had been, shall we say, less than truthful with the court. More specifically, that Mr Zimmerman needed to have his bail revoked, and Mrs Zimmerman is now standing accused of perjury.

And that's fine, but shouldn't that be information for the court, not for the public?

[Phatscotty]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.


And Rand Paul is working to prohibit law enforcement officials from using drones without search warrants.

He is trying to go further than that. He wants to reaffirm the 4th amendment in it's entirety. I think there will be a little more to it than just warrants for drones when it's done with.

[saxitoxin]

I'm reading an article about George Zimmerman telling his wife to move money from Paypal to his bank. The article states:
"Prosecutors also released the couple's bank statements Monday."
How is this legal? Isn't releasing somebody's personal bank statements a violation of their rights to privacy?

It seems to be worded to indicate the prosecutor just decided to release them. IIRC the prosecutor and defense attorney both asked they remain sealed but the Orlando Sentinel sued for release and won as the Florida Public Records Law is like the world's most libertine or something.

Florida’s public records law, one of the strongest in the country, guarantees public access to evidence in criminal trials. Yet every time a headline-making criminal case pops up, attorneys routinely attempt to suppress information by asking for a “protective order” to keep the evidence under wraps and courts routinely turn them back. Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester should follow suit in the case of George Zimmerman.

This state's courts have declared that Florida’s Public Records Act is “construed liberally in favor of openness.” Too often, attorneys choose to ignore this rule in pleading for exemptions.

Judge Lester, who has scheduled a hearing for Friday, should take extra care to ensure that along with preserving the defendant’s right to a fair trial he also preserves the right of public access to public records, including evidence in the Zimmerman case.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/31/2 ... rylink=cpy

[Night Strike]

Another privacy issue that is really irking me lately is the release of divorce records and other personal information of large political donors....

As with my point above, how is that legally...uh...legal?

It's not, but it's what some people affiliated with Obama's campaign are doing to discredit big donors to PACs that oppose him. It's also what Obama himself did to win his state senate seat.

Oh Jesus Christ, Night Strike...I know Obama and the liberals are the only ones that ever do anything bad, but can you get over it long enough to discuss an issue for a change?

I'm posting facts about the issue.

Because only liberals do that shit. You post almost exactly half of the facts about any given issue. I'll leave it to you to figure out which half I think is missing.

Then post facts about conservatives going out and doing it. And I know it's not conservatives going around doing other things like SWAT-ing attacks.

[Symmetry]

As far as I can tell, the info was released as evidence that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman had been, shall we say, less than truthful with the court. More specifically, that Mr Zimmerman needed to have his bail revoked, and Mrs Zimmerman is now standing accused of perjury.

And that's fine, but shouldn't that be information for the court, not for the public?

Difficult to say, as I'm not sure exactly what was released. Certainly releasing that Mr and Mrs Zimmerman were being detained/charged because their accounts showed they hadn't been honest with the court seems fair.

[saxitoxin]

Here's his bank records!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97438975/Geor ... nk-Records

He spent $5.98 on iTunes downloads on April 11, ate at Arby's on April 5 ... I couldn't find any evidence of him paying for amputee porn.

[Phatscotty]

Has the jury been picked already?

[saxitoxin]

Has the jury been picked already?

In a court decision last week it was determined to suspend the jury trial for this case and use an alternate means of adjudication.

[Phatscotty]

Has the jury been picked already?

In a court decision last week it was determined to suspend the jury trial for this case and use an alternate means of adjudication.

Hahaha. Thanks for nothin. I would already be on top of all this information of someone would bump my Z thread, but it is kinda nice to let someone else find all the facts of the case for a change.

BEDUB! has the jury been selected? I ask because this information could totally taint the jury pool.

[bedub1]

Here's his bank records!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97438975/Geor ... nk-Records

He spent $5.98 on iTunes downloads on April 11, ate at Arby's on April 5 ... I couldn't find any evidence of him paying for amputee porn.

I think that every charge that isn't a paypal transfer for a transaction to the lawyers should be removed as not-relevant. Oh, they bought something at sams club. Not relevant. Oh, they bought an itunes song, not relevant. You know? I think that's how you balance privacy and freedom of information, what's relevant to the case is presented, what's not relevant is kept private.

I don't think a jury has been selected yet.

And leave all the crap about obama and rand paul etc out of here unless it's very specifically related. The other shit I read that's posted is just stupid meaningless ramblings and distracting from the issues at hand.

[Symmetry]

Here's his bank records!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97438975/Geor ... nk-Records

He spent $5.98 on iTunes downloads on April 11, ate at Arby's on April 5 ... I couldn't find any evidence of him paying for amputee porn.

I think that every charge that isn't a paypal transfer for a transaction to the lawyers should be removed as not-relevant. Oh, they bought something at sams club. Not relevant. Oh, they bought an itunes song, not relevant. You know? I think that's how you balance privacy and freedom of information, what's relevant to the case is presented, what's not relevant is kept private.

I don't think a jury has been selected yet.

And leave all the crap about obama and rand paul etc out of here unless it's very specifically related. The other shit I read that's posted is just stupid meaningless ramblings and distracting from the issues at hand.

How would bail work in your new system?

[bedub1]

Here's his bank records!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97438975/Geor ... nk-Records

He spent $5.98 on iTunes downloads on April 11, ate at Arby's on April 5 ... I couldn't find any evidence of him paying for amputee porn.

I think that every charge that isn't a paypal transfer for a transaction to the lawyers should be removed as not-relevant. Oh, they bought something at sams club. Not relevant. Oh, they bought an itunes song, not relevant. You know? I think that's how you balance privacy and freedom of information, what's relevant to the case is presented, what's not relevant is kept private.

I don't think a jury has been selected yet.

And leave all the crap about obama and rand paul etc out of here unless it's very specifically related. The other shit I read that's posted is just stupid meaningless ramblings and distracting from the issues at hand.

How would bail work in your new system?

my new system? what new system? You see they blacked out some stuff....like his address and account number? All I'm saying is they should have blacked out more.