Should Dukasaur be banned?

[saxitoxin]

And so begins the frantic apologies, excuses, and back-peddling ...

What you've done is like you're comparing Lyndon LaRouche to Theodore Roosevelt.

Abraham Stern - a Nazi supporter who headed the second largest pre-1948 Zionist faction - has had towns named by him after Israel, postage stamps issued by Israel in his memory, annual pilgrimages made to the place of his death by sitting members of the Knesset ... should I go on?

So no ... Stern is not like Lyndon LaRouche, but you're still an unapologetic Merchant of Hate.

I would never, ever - not in a million years - say "How have the Jews changed socially after Abraham Stern?" To even type that is, for me, sick. But you and GabonX don't even pause for breath when you shotgun out that vitriol about people who weren't alive when the events you're using as a scarlet letter to brand the Palestinian people transpired.

[GabonX]

And so begins the frantic apologies, excuses, and back-peddling ...

What you've done is like you're comparing Lyndon LaRouche to Theodore Roosevelt.

Abraham Stern - a Nazi supporter who headed the second largest pre-1948 Zionist faction - has had towns named by him after Israel, postage stamps issued by Israel in his memory, annual pilgrimages made to the place of his death by sitting members of the Knesset ... should I go on?

So no ... Stern is not like Lyndon LaRouche and you're still an unapologetic Merchant of Hate.

Claiming Abraham Stern was a Nazi supporter is like saying Yasser Arafat was a Zionism supporter.

[saxitoxin]

Claiming Abraham Stern was a Nazi supporter

Jesus Christ dude, are you fucking literate? This is common knowledge Stern was frantic to get Nazi support to battle the British and subscribed to a fascist political ideology. I even included links in case a moron like you needed them. Fucking learn to read before you post because I'm not going to waste time arguing with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Jesus bro, seriously - your attempts to write-off anything that doesn't fit with your worldview has got to the point that you sound like a fucking garden-variety dullard. You are really not a bright person.

[GabonX]

Claiming Abraham Stern was a Nazi supporter

Jesus Christ dude, are you fucking literate? This is common knowledge Stern was frantic to get Nazi support to battle the British and subscribed to a fascist political ideology. I even included links in case a moron like you needed them. Fucking learn to read before you post because I'm not going to waste time arguing with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat.

Your first link is broken. Your second link doesn't affirm that Stern was a "Nazi supporter" the way you're implying.

Also:

These things aren't even remotely comparable saxi

When Jews worked with rogue elements of the Nazi party to help Jews escape Europe they were doing it to rescue people from the Holocaust. When Haj Amin al-Husseini worked with the Nazis he was doing it in the hopes of extending the Holocaust to Palestine. How in your mind, does trying to save Jewish people from the Holocaust somehow equate trying to extend the Holocaust in your mind?

This is a perfect example of you claiming up is down and left is right.

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was in charge of a small group among several within the larger Jewish population while al-Husseini is basically the founder of Palestinian nationalism

[BoganGod]

Claiming Abraham Stern was a Nazi supporter

Jesus Christ dude, are you fucking literate? This is common knowledge Stern was frantic to get Nazi support to battle the British and subscribed to a fascist political ideology. I even included links in case a moron like you needed them. Fucking learn to read before you post because I'm not going to waste time arguing with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Jesus bro, seriously - your attempts to write-off anything that doesn't fit with your worldview has got to the point that you sound like a fucking garden-variety dullard. You are really not a bright person.

+1

[saxitoxin]

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was

David Stern was the commissioner of the NBA. Abraham Stern was the leader of Lehi. Congratulations on being able to so confidently dismiss common knowledge history without even knowing the name of the person you're talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to fucking debate with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. (However, for the record, when people say Hakeem Olajuwon "threw a brick" it doesn't mean he attacked Israeli police.)

Now go away, you little, little man.

[GabonX]

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was

Correct. David Stern was the commissioner of the NBA. Abraham Stern was the leader of Lehi. Congratulations on being able to so confidently dismiss common knowledge history without even knowing the name of the person you're talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to fucking debate with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Go away, you little, little man.

Give me a break, it's a typo. It's not like you never make mistakes.

Half of your links on the man don't work, and the other half don't affirm that Stern was the founder of Jewish Nationalism or a proponent of Nazism (which makes no sense and isn't true). This is not common knowledge history but rather pretty obscure stuff outside of Israel.


To correct myself:

For the record, Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. Abraham Stern was in charge of a small group among several within the larger Jewish population while al-Husseini is basically the founder of Palestinian nationalism.

[saxitoxin]

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was

Correct. David Stern was the commissioner of the NBA. Abraham Stern was the leader of Lehi. Congratulations on being able to so confidently dismiss common knowledge history without even knowing the name of the person you're talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to fucking debate with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Go away, you little, little man.

Give me a break, it's a typo. It's not like you never make mistakes.

No, it wasn't. You're a moron; just own it.

[GabonX]

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was

Correct. David Stern was the commissioner of the NBA. Abraham Stern was the leader of Lehi. Congratulations on being able to so confidently dismiss common knowledge history without even knowing the name of the person you're talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to fucking debate with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Go away, you little, little man.

Give me a break, it's a typo. It's not like you never make mistakes.

No, it wasn't. You're a moron; just own it.

From the guy who said Jerusalem is the holiest place in Islam, that's rich.

[saxitoxin]

For the record, David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people as Haj Amin al-Husseini was the arabs. David Stern was

Correct. David Stern was the commissioner of the NBA. Abraham Stern was the leader of Lehi. Congratulations on being able to so confidently dismiss common knowledge history without even knowing the name of the person you're talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to fucking debate with you whether or not the Earth is round or flat. Go away, you little, little man.

Give me a break, it's a typo. It's not like you never make mistakes.

No, it wasn't. You're a moron; just own it.

From the guy who said Jerusalem is the holiest place in Islam, that's rich.

Well, no, I didn't say that (I said the Dome of the Rock ... you know the place where you thought the Western Wall was), but whatever kinda smoke screen you need to cover your retreat, bro ...

[GabonX]

This is a great example of what Saxitoxin does.

Instead of responding to the fact that the founder of Palestinian Nationalism was a Nazi collaborator whos' ideas still influence Palestinian thought today, he ignores that and shifts focus to a random Jewish guy that hated the British, and actually has the audacity to suggest this means the Jewish guy was a proponent of Nazism. Not only that, but he equates the two in social and political status despite the obvious disproportion.

Give it a few posts and I'm sure he'll have a "shuck and jive" gif

[GabonX]

I guess now he wants to shift focus of the thread to a typo I made because he doesn't have a response to any of this

[saxitoxin]

a random Jewish guy

Which "random Jewish guy?"

David Stern, the celebrated commissioner of basketball and hall of fame inductee, or, Abraham Stern - a Nazi supporter who headed the second largest pre-1948 Zionist faction - has had towns named after him by Israel, postage stamps issued by Israel in his memory, annual pilgrimages made to the place of his death by sitting members of the Knesset (like many randos do), etc.?

a typo I made

typ-o: Mary had a little lam
idiot-o: David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people

[BigBallinStalin]

Is it totally unfair to compare Palestinians to Nazis when they're leader at the time, Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Huseini still revered, helped raise a Muslim army for Hitler?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_a ... ecruitment


In many ways this guy could be considered the father of Palestinian nationalism (though I'd be interested to see if someone can show evidence of Palestinian nationalism before the Mufti, I'm unaware of such a movement...).

Has the Palestinian attitude towards Jews improved since the days of Haj Amin al-Huseini? How have the Palestinians changed socially?

Oh, this is fun! Let's make similar arguments while posing seemingly profound questions!

Is it totally unfair to compare Japanese to Nazis when their Prime Minister sometime ago, Hideki Tojo--still revered, helped raise a Japanese army for Hitler?

Once upon a time, the Japanese supported an imperial government which committed many atrocious acts against the Chinese, the Mongols, Russians, and so on. And you know, at least one of them--an important one--supported the Nazis; they raised a Japanese army for Hitler! In many ways, this guy could be considered the father of Japanese nationalism--could be!

Has the Japanese attitude towards Westerners and Asians improved since the days of Hideki Tojo? How have the Japanese changed socially?


Please note:

If you disagree with any propositions, then the burden is on you to present contrary evidence which will wither before my belief perseverance. Furthermore, contrary evidence will be forgotten, and ambiguous evidence will be misinterpreted as clear support of my position--so help my confirmation bias! Any insinuations, implications, or questions of my stance, which may or may not be bigoted, short-sighted, and/or sloppy, will be conveniently dodged--just be prepared to face a barrage of irrelevant questions. Cognitive dissonance on my part will be swiftly beaten down with little thought but much practice. I am illogically prepared to defeat you! En garde!

Sincerely,
the Analogous GabonX.

[GabonX]

I'm going to exit this conversation on the note that both the statements

"David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people" and,
"Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people"

despite that Saxitoxin seems to want to argue the opposite.


When he has no response he dissuades. When he informs, he misinforms.

[BigBallinStalin]

I mean "Jews, who, according to Jewish Law which dictates that your mother must be Jewish are not "Jews", based on genetic evidence". Specifically, I am referring to the Beastie Boys.

Then it follows that comparing Jews, who, according to Jewish Law which dictates that your mother must be Jewish are not "Jews", based on genetic evidence as well as the Beastie Boys to Nazis is not at all bigoted, is completely morally correct, and yields logically correct insights.

DY, the community appreciates your feedback.

[GabonX]

Is it totally unfair to compare Palestinians to Nazis when they're leader at the time, Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Huseini still revered, helped raise a Muslim army for Hitler?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_a ... ecruitment


In many ways this guy could be considered the father of Palestinian nationalism (though I'd be interested to see if someone can show evidence of Palestinian nationalism before the Mufti, I'm unaware of such a movement...).

Has the Palestinian attitude towards Jews improved since the days of Haj Amin al-Huseini? How have the Palestinians changed socially?

Oh, this is fun! Let's make similar arguments while posing seemingly profound questions!

Once upon a time, the Japanese supported an imperial government which committed many atrocious acts against the Chinese, the Mongols, Russians, and so on. And you know, at least one of them--an important one--supported the Nazis; they raised a Japanese army for Hitler! In many ways, this guy could be considered the father of Japanese nationalism--could be!

Has the Japanese attitude towards Westerners and Asians improved since the days of Hideki Tojo? How have the Japanese changed socially?

This is very easy to answer. The Japanese tend to be racist fucks towards other Asians, but they're no longer an imperial threat as they were in the early 20th century. They have now demilitarized and are great allies with the United States who conquered them.

The Palestinians aren't comporable to the Japanese in their post war development, or their pre war status.

Please note:

If you disagree with any propositions, then the burden is on you to present contrary evidence which will wither before my belief perseverance. Furthermore, contrary evidence will be forgotten, and ambiguous evidence will be misinterpreted as clear support of my position--so help my confirmation bias! Any insinuations, implications, or questions of my stance, which may or may not be bigoted, short-sighted, and/or sloppy, will be conveniently dodged--just be prepared to face a barrage of irrelevant questions. Cognitive dissonance on my part will be swiftly beaten down with little thought but much practice. I am illogically prepared to defeat you! En garde!

Sincerely,
the Analogous GabonX.

Give me a break dude. The fact that you say this about me and not Saxitoxin, just like your making a thread complaining about Dukasaur comparing Palestinians to Nazis but say nothing about Saxitoxin routinely making comparisons between Israelis and Nazis, shows how balanced your perspective is.

[BigBallinStalin]

Oh, sorry. I forgot to add "your analogy is incorrect because people A during event X had different GDPs and/'developments' before and after WW2." You did a good job ignoring the relevant parts though, so at least give me credit for foreseeing that one.

Also, gold: "The Japanese tend to be racist fucks towards other Asians." Evidence incoming in 3... 2... 1... (Gabon rushes off the scene to find the first one or two reports which confirm his position). GabonX is CC's best social scientist! Here's what a bigot doesn't do: "Gee, I'm not sure if that's true. I'd really need some empirical evidence on that one before I jump on a strong, emotionally charged claim."

Tell us what the average Chinese person is like, Gabby! Oh, how about the average Mexican?!

I don't target saxi as much because I have limited resources. Your demand implicitly assumes that I have (a) unlimited resources or (b) that I should reduce my time criticizing bigots like you and Dookie, so that I can spend more resources criticizing saxi.

1. You know what the division of labor is, dawg?
2. You and Dookie are easier game; saxi's more difficult. I'd have to invest more marginal resources into learning more about the issue; whereas, with obvious bigots of very limited information, I don't have to expend as much. I won't apologize for my profit-maximization nor my utility function.

[GabonX]

I'm going to exit this conversation on the note that both the statements

"David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people" and,
"Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people"

despite that Saxitoxin seems to want to argue the opposite.


When he has no response he dissuades. When he informs, he misinforms.

Sorry, that should have read:

I'm going to exit this conversation on the note that both the statements are correct:

"David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people" and,
"Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people"

despite that Saxitoxin seems to want to argue the opposite.



See, I did it again. People make mistakes, that's why pencils have erasers. When Hamas fires rockets at Israeli civilians, sometimes Israel misses and hits civilians when they fire back. It's a rough world, but it would be better if the Arabs dropped their Nazi ideology which includes elements of racial purity, religious supremacy, and Jew hate.

[GabonX]

Oh, sorry. I forgot to add "your analogy is incorrect because people A during event X had a different GDPs and/or institutions before and after WW2." You did a good job ignoring the relevant parts though, so I foresaw that one.

The question was:

Has the Japanese attitude towards Westerners and Asians improved since the days of Hideki Tojo? How have the Japanese changed socially?

so if you'd like me to answer with things other than the groups having different GDPs and/or institutions before and after WW2 I'm not sure what you'd like to see.

I thought my answer:

The Japanese tend to be racist fucks towards other Asians, but they're no longer an imperial threat as they were in the early 20th century. They have now demilitarized and are great allies with the United States who conquered them.

The Palestinians aren't comporable to the Japanese in their post war development, or their pre war status.

was fully sufficient, but I didn't think you would divert so heavily from the question in your response.

I don't target saxi as much because I have limited resources. Your demand implicitly assumes that I have (a) unlimited resources or (b) that I should reduce my time criticizing bigots like you and Dookie, so that I can spend more resources criticizing saxi.

1. You know what the division of labor is, dawg?
2. You and Dookie are easier game; saxi's more difficult. I'd have to invest more marginal resources into learning more about the issue; whereas, with obvious bigots of very limited information, I don't have to expend as much. I won't apologize for my profit-maximization nor my utility function.

No,

it's clearly because you have a confirmation bias



Still nobody has anything to say about the Grand Mufti, leader of the Palestinian people in the early 20th century and founder of Palestinian nationalism

[saxitoxin]

it would be better if the Arabs dropped their Nazi ideology which includes elements of racial purity, religious supremacy, and Jew hate.

On a different note, and I don't know why this is, but when Gabby posts these solemn, elaborately constructed, grim declarations - complete with all the inline links to Wikipedia - all I can hear is this song in the background...

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm going to exit this conversation on the note that both the statements

"David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people" and,
"Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people"

despite that Saxitoxin seems to want to argue the opposite.


When he has no response he dissuades. When he informs, he misinforms.

Sorry, that should have read:

I'm going to exit this conversation on the note that both the statements are correct:

"David Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people" and,
"Abraham Stern was never the leader of the Jewish people"

despite that Saxitoxin seems to want to argue the opposite.



See, I did it again. People make mistakes, .....

but some hardly ever correct them.

Good luck with your mountain of cognitive biases, but chin up! your bigotry should keep you going!

[GabonX]

So along with all of the vitriolic hatred and violence waged against them since before the foundation of their state, this thread shows Israelis also have to deal with denial (on the level of holocaust denial) that there's even a problem with the attitude of the people who wage war against them.

[BigBallinStalin]

So along with all of the vitriolic hatred and violence waged against them since before the foundation of their state, this thread shows Israelis also have to deal with denial (on the level of holocaust denial) that there's even a problem with the attitude of the people who wage war against them.

Nice dodge.

The Japanese tend to be racist fucks towards other Asians.

Spoken like a true scholar.