Symmetry wrote:"http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001628-Base-Broadening-Tax-Reform.pdf[/url].
Is that enough?
Why would anyone vote for this guy? Well, they hate Obama more than they love America.
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Symmetry wrote:"http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001628-Base-Broadening-Tax-Reform.pdf[/url].
Is that enough?
Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them.
Night Strike wrote:their success allows them to hire people who will work for them
Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
Juan_Bottom wrote:So anyway. NS doesn't get it. The American Dream isn't that I grow up and work for him. And if they were hiring people, then our unemployment rate wouldn't be at 12%. The times when our economy was the healthiest were when we had the greatest distribution of wealth, because then people could afford to buy sh*t, which is how an economy works. Our economy sucks so bad because we have no jobs and no money. It's history. And Obama gets it.
Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Of course, the rising cost of education is directly linked to a lack of government funding. And Romney supported the government pulling out of funding of Pell Grants.
Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
No, that's just one way for people to become successful. Many other people could become successful if the government didn't make it so hard to start new businesses due to regulatory hurdles. I read a story just this week about a woman who was trying to sell a new type of pregnancy pillow online, but she had to pay 15 different "pillow-tag fees" to register her pillows as safe in those states. Her total for that was about $3,000 annually. It's crap like that which causes too many regulatory hurdles for too many people.
AndyDufresne wrote:Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
No, that's just one way for people to become successful. Many other people could become successful if the government didn't make it so hard to start new businesses due to regulatory hurdles. I read a story just this week about a woman who was trying to sell a new type of pregnancy pillow online, but she had to pay 15 different "pillow-tag fees" to register her pillows as safe in those states. Her total for that was about $3,000 annually. It's crap like that which causes too many regulatory hurdles for too many people.
Can you go into more detail about the regulatory hurdles? Anecdotal stories are nice, but pretty much nothing.
--Andy
AndyDufresne wrote:Anecdotal stories are pretty much nothing without the evidence to show that the contents of the story were created by said regulatory hurdles, that is what I mean. I just wanted to see you go into more detail about the regulatory hurdles, since honestly I don't know them all, and you seem to know more by your comments.
Also, don't get so jumpy! Just an honest question!
--Andy
Mitt Romney wrote:ā[O]ur campaign would be-- helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon-- business or family or taxes or things of that nature."
[...]
ā[W]e only talk about issues. And we can talk about the differences between our positions and our opponent's position.ā Romney said of his own campaign: ā[O]ur ads haven't gone after the president personally. ā¦ [W]e haven't dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven't gone after the personal things.ā
In response, First Read asked, "Is Romney really saying that scrutinizing his business record -- which he has held up as one of his chief qualifications to be president -- is personal?"
Juan_Bottom wrote:
Is he behaving like an insecure wimp?
Juan_Bottom wrote:That can't be true, because that was not an Obama ad. That was a citizen's united - style superpac ad. So an agreement with Obama's campaign wouldn't do anything.
Nola_Lifer wrote:Why are you blaming the government for these regulations? Do you know why they had to regulate pillows and mattress? Because the manufactures(also know as businesses) were stuffing them with whichever kind of material they decided to put in there. Dead rat? Why not? STUFF IT! So then the government stepped in a said hey you can't do that, so those little tags you see is to make sure businesses are honest. Don't blame government when businesses are doing the wrong things.
Night Strike wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:That can't be true, because that was not an Obama ad. That was a citizen's united - style superpac ad. So an agreement with Obama's campaign wouldn't do anything.
Actually, that has already been proven false. Those PACs are not supposed to be in contact with the actual campaign group, yet all the information for that PAC ad was garnered from a press conference put on a few months ago by an Obama campaign manager. The campaign manager learned the libelous details from that presser and shared them with the PAC.
Night Strike wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
No, that's just one way for people to become successful. Many other people could become successful if the government didn't make it so hard to start new businesses due to regulatory hurdles. I read a story just this week about a woman who was trying to sell a new type of pregnancy pillow online, but she had to pay 15 different "pillow-tag fees" to register her pillows as safe in those states. Her total for that was about $3,000 annually. It's crap like that which causes too many regulatory hurdles for too many people.
Can you go into more detail about the regulatory hurdles? Anecdotal stories are nice, but pretty much nothing.
How are they "pretty much nothing" when they are direct stories about how government actions are directly harming people who are trying to start businesses? And if you don't want to look at new businesses, you should look at the medical device manufacturer who announced last week they could not afford to build a new plant to expand their business because of the impending 2.5% tax on medical devices (that they would be producing) in addition to the other expanding costs to employers under Obamacare.
Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Regarding Juan's poster: Michelle Obama just doesn't get it. When a person follows the American Dream and achieves success, they DO leave the door open for others to follow because their success allows them to hire people who will work for them and alongside them. It's that success that improves the economic situation for many people.
So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
No, that's just one way for people to become successful. Many other people could become successful if the government didn't make it so hard to start new businesses due to regulatory hurdles. I read a story just this week about a woman who was trying to sell a new type of pregnancy pillow online, but she had to pay 15 different "pillow-tag fees" to register her pillows as safe in those states. Her total for that was about $3,000 annually. It's crap like that which causes too many regulatory hurdles for too many people.
Can you go into more detail about the regulatory hurdles? Anecdotal stories are nice, but pretty much nothing.
How are they "pretty much nothing" when they are direct stories about how government actions are directly harming people who are trying to start businesses? And if you don't want to look at new businesses, you should look at the medical device manufacturer who announced last week they could not afford to build a new plant to expand their business because of the impending 2.5% tax on medical devices (that they would be producing) in addition to the other expanding costs to employers under Obamacare.
You haven't even provided a cite. For all we know, this is just another one of your Blaze things that has no actual substance to it.
Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:So in your world, "success" for poor people is that they get to come work for you? Because that's how it sounds.
No, that's just one way for people to become successful. Many other people could become successful if the government didn't make it so hard to start new businesses due to regulatory hurdles. I read a story just this week about a woman who was trying to sell a new type of pregnancy pillow online, but she had to pay 15 different "pillow-tag fees" to register her pillows as safe in those states. Her total for that was about $3,000 annually. It's crap like that which causes too many regulatory hurdles for too many people.
Can you go into more detail about the regulatory hurdles? Anecdotal stories are nice, but pretty much nothing.
How are they "pretty much nothing" when they are direct stories about how government actions are directly harming people who are trying to start businesses? And if you don't want to look at new businesses, you should look at the medical device manufacturer who announced last week they could not afford to build a new plant to expand their business because of the impending 2.5% tax on medical devices (that they would be producing) in addition to the other expanding costs to employers under Obamacare.
You haven't even provided a cite. For all we know, this is just another one of your Blaze things that has no actual substance to it.
Scroll a couple posts after that one.
Woodruff wrote:Oh hell, it WAS just another one of your Blaze things. I thought I was just being sarcastic.
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