Romney/Ryan VS. Obama/Biden

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps a little education is in order. These guys cannot begin to have the proper context without certain bits of true information....straight from the horses mouth


We Control the News Media - Anita Dunn Barack Obama's Communications Whitehouse Director
"Very rarely did we communicate with the press about anything we did not absolutely control" @2:15




Anita Dun, Obama's handpicked Communications Director - "My favorite philosopher, and who I turn to most (...Communist leader of China and hands down largest mass murderer in history) Mao Zedong"

how they controlled the media to spin what they wanted out there. She explains how the Obama campaign controlled the spin and "worked" the Mainstream Media. Whoever controls the media controls the masses and the spin like true totalitarians.

Of course the Media went along with this because they wanted Barack Obama to win. If they didn't they would've ran more stories about his lack of experience and his old ties with questionable charters, (not to mention even speaking about his college transcripts, while today the media is going through all Paul Ryan's college records and interviewing Ryan's college professors....)

But this should be an embarrassment to the mainstream news media like NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS that those in power can control you, but then again the majority of them back and protected Obama and are still doing it today. They should do their job, instead of attacking those who are asking questions of those in power.

This is one reason the Obama Whitehouse is going after Fox News because they can't control them.

[comic boy]

Yet he is still firm favourite to win

Where? New York maybe?

You need to recognise that hope and desire do not equate to reality , delusion can lead to serious problems.

[Phatscotty]

Yet he is still firm favourite to win

Where? New York maybe?

You need to recognise that hope and desire do not equate to reality , delusion can lead to serious problems.

Strike, you are supposed to think how the polls tell you to think, believe as the polls tell you to believe. But that won't in any way make you a zombie, so don't worry.

[GreecePwns]

Yep, the polls are telling you to vote for Obama.

They most certainly are NOT telling you what people are voting for.

2/10, +1 for use of the word "zombie."

[comic boy]

Perhaps a little education is in order. These guys cannot begin to have the proper context without certain bits of true information....straight from the horses mouth


We Control the News Media - Anita Dunn Barack Obama's Communications Whitehouse Director
"Very rarely did we communicate with the press about anything we did not absolutely control" @2:15




Anita Dun, Obama's handpicked Communications Director - "My favorite philosopher, and who I turn to most (...Communist leader of China and hands down largest mass murderer in history) Mao Zedong"

how they controlled the media to spin what they wanted out there. She explains how the Obama campaign controlled the spin and "worked" the Mainstream Media. Whoever controls the media controls the masses and the spin like true totalitarians.

Of course the Media went along with this because they wanted Barack Obama to win. If they didn't they would've ran more stories about his lack of experience and his old ties with questionable charters, (not to mention even speaking about his college transcripts, while today the media is going through all Paul Ryan's college records and interviewing Ryan's college professors....)

But this should be an embarrassment to the mainstream news media like NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS that those in power can control you, but then again the majority of them back and protected Obama and are still doing it today. They should do their job, instead of attacking those who are asking questions of those in power.

This is one reason the Obama Whitehouse is going after Fox News because they can't control them.

But you have already stated that the left wing media is compromised and will not benefit Obama, nothing for you to worry about then

[comic boy]

Yet he is still firm favourite to win

Where? New York maybe?

You need to recognise that hope and desire do not equate to reality , delusion can lead to serious problems.

Strike, you are supposed to think how the polls tell you to think, believe as the polls tell you to believe. But that won't in any way make you a zombie, so don't worry.

Im sorry to hear about the subliminal messages you are picking up and those irksome voices in your head , I did say that delusion leads to further problems.

[Woodruff]

Thanks Strike, but woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me. For woodruff, the details are important because these media people are taking the side of Obama, against Romney.

Are you actually retarded? I don't mean that as a flame...I mean that as a sincere question? Phatscotty...are you mentally retarded? Because I think that you really must be to make such a ridiculous statement. You are definitely coming across as an individual who is thoroughly unable to grasp the real world, never mind the very real facts presented before you. Not only do I question your integrity now, but I am seriously questioning your intelligence level.

Hey, looks like maybe Phatscotty's gonna get me banned again, this time for asking a serious question. But hey, he doesn't troll, right?

BigBallinStalin...this is your new and improved Phatscotty? Shit...he's no different than the old one at all.

[Lootifer]

While I wont be as harsh, this thread does have a high content of phattism.

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps a little education is in order. These guys cannot begin to have the proper context without certain bits of true information....straight from the horses mouth


We Control the News Media - Anita Dunn Barack Obama's Communications Whitehouse Director
"Very rarely did we communicate with the press about anything we did not absolutely control" @2:15




Anita Dun, Obama's handpicked Communications Director - "My favorite philosopher, and who I turn to most (...Communist leader of China and hands down largest mass murderer in history) Mao Zedong"

how they controlled the media to spin what they wanted out there. She explains how the Obama campaign controlled the spin and "worked" the Mainstream Media. Whoever controls the media controls the masses and the spin like true totalitarians.

Of course the Media went along with this because they wanted Barack Obama to win. If they didn't they would've ran more stories about his lack of experience and his old ties with questionable charters, (not to mention even speaking about his college transcripts, while today the media is going through all Paul Ryan's college records and interviewing Ryan's college professors....)

But this should be an embarrassment to the mainstream news media like NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS that those in power can control you, but then again the majority of them back and protected Obama and are still doing it today. They should do their job, instead of attacking those who are asking questions of those in power.

This is one reason the Obama Whitehouse is going after Fox News because they can't control them.

But you have already stated that the left wing media is compromised and will not benefit Obama, nothing for you to worry about then

Comic Boy, you are right.

[Phatscotty]

Thanks Strike, but woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me. For woodruff, the details are important because these media people are taking the side of Obama, against Romney.

Are you actually retarded? I don't mean that as a flame...I mean that as a sincere question? Phatscotty...are you mentally retarded? Because I think that you really must be to make such a ridiculous statement. You are definitely coming across as an individual who is thoroughly unable to grasp the real world, never mind the very real facts presented before you. Not only do I question your integrity now, but I am seriously questioning your intelligence level.

Hey, looks like maybe Phatscotty's gonna get me banned again, this time for asking a serious question. But hey, he doesn't troll, right?

BigBallinStalin...this is your new and improved Phatscotty? Shit...he's no different than the old one at all.

Woodruff...notice you do not even take one second in your blistering tirade of insults to even say what the hell you are talking about?

I wish our conversations were more like this

[Phatscotty]

Should Obama condemn Biden's statement?

'Going to Put Y'all Back in Chains'

Oh yeah, throw Biden on the list of people going WAY OVER THE LINE recently.

[BigBallinStalin]

While I wont be as harsh, this thread does have a high content of phattism.

[Night Strike]

Yet he is still firm favourite to win

Where? New York maybe?

You need to recognise that hope and desire do not equate to reality , delusion can lead to serious problems.

Strike, you are supposed to think how the polls tell you to think, believe as the polls tell you to believe. But that won't in any way make you a zombie, so don't worry.

You mean those polls that are oversampling Democrats by 7-15% yet not making prominent that they're oversampled? (Of course, a lot of that oversampling comes from conservatives who are now independents because of failures of the Republican party but will never vote for Obama because they're true conservatives.)

[Phatscotty]

Yet he is still firm favourite to win

Where? New York maybe?

You need to recognise that hope and desire do not equate to reality , delusion can lead to serious problems.

Strike, you are supposed to think how the polls tell you to think, believe as the polls tell you to believe. But that won't in any way make you a zombie, so don't worry.

You mean those polls that are oversampling Democrats by 7-15% yet not making prominent that they're oversampled? (Of course, a lot of that oversampling comes from conservatives who are now independents because of failures of the Republican party but will never vote for Obama because they're true conservatives.)

yes. those polls. I still still think the majority of people who are not sure who they will vote for until 1 minute before they enter the voting booth. For example, sure the polls seem split (like always!!!) but look at how many people think the USA is heading in the wrong direction? It's 72%. And how many think the USA is heading in the right direction? I'll just put it this way, Congress (%7) has a higher approval rating than the amount of people (6%) who think we are heading in the right direction!

Obama's perception has been able to maintain a plane unaffected by the direction of America poll, and that's because of his likability. But when perception meets reality, reality wins every time.

[Neato Missile]

Obama should not condemn Biden's remarks, and the Republican party should praise him as exactly the kind of "straight shooter" they ostensibly love. The metaphor of a chained or shackled American people is common-- Santorum claimed that the ACA "will put you in chains" at his own Iowa State Fair speech last year-- and as Biden himself indicates in his remarks, the Romney campaign has described their plans for deregulation as "unshackling the economy." Whether or not you agree with his larger point, it's unreasonable to claim that Biden was out of line for using the Romney campaign's own imagery against them.

[Phatscotty]

Obama should not condemn Biden's remarks, and the Republican party should praise him as exactly the kind of "straight shooter" they ostensibly love. The metaphor of a chained or shackled American people is common-- Santorum claimed that the ACA "will put you in chains" at his own Iowa State Fair speech last year-- and as Biden himself indicates in his remarks, the Romney campaign has described their plans for deregulation as "unshackling the economy." Whether or not you agree with his larger point, it's unreasonable to claim that Biden was out of line for using the Romney campaign's own imagery against them.

I think the point is that he is talking about putting "people" in chains, not chaining the economy with regulations. If Biden were talking about the economy, then I would have never even asked the question

Also, does what you say hold true, if say, Trent Lott cracks a private joke. not even about slavery, but about segregation, at a birthday party (he had to step down)? Can a Republican say what Joe Biden said, criticism free? Do you think there is a double standard going on here?

[Neato Missile]

I think the point is that he is talking about putting "people" in chains, not chaining the economy with regulations. If Biden were talking about the economy, then I would have never even asked the question

Also, does what you say hold true, if say, Trent Lott cracks a private joke. not even about slavery, but about segregation, at a birthday party (he had to step down)? Can a Republican say what Joe Biden said, criticism free? Do you think there is a double standard going on here?

I see what you're saying. There is a difference between what language is acceptable to apply to people vs. what is acceptable to apply to abstract concepts, but I truly don't think this crosses a line. He wants to show that deregulation will have a negative effect on peopple, and he does this using the rhetorical device that his opponents have used in the past. "Opponent says Good Thing? More like OPPOSITE OF GOOD THING" is fairly routine political rhetoric, and while I'm not blind to the undertones, the reaction from Romney's campaign has been excessive.

Do you believe there is a double standard? In my last post, I mentioned Santorum talking about how the ACA would put people in chains. As far as I'm aware, there was not a negative reaction to that remark. Likewise, the recent Romney campaign ad claiming that Obama ended work requirements for welfare has come under fire for factual inaccuracies, but not for the "dogwhistle" image of lazy food stamp sponges and welfare queens that it conjures up.

I was not politically aware in 2002, and only have a passing familiarity with the Trent Lott controversy. Was it a joke, or a gaffe? He shouldn't have been pressured to step down (from his role as Senate Republican Leader, not from his Senate seat as I initially believed), but this isn't enough to prove a widespread double standard is at play. Newt Gingrinch said that Obama could only be understood by people who "understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior," but he still got to run for the Republican presidential nomination. Elected officials who are or were birthers still hold their positions. Trent Lott is an unfortunate outlier, not evidence of a larger trend.

[Woodruff]

Thanks Strike, but woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me. For woodruff, the details are important because these media people are taking the side of Obama, against Romney.

Are you actually retarded? I don't mean that as a flame...I mean that as a sincere question? Phatscotty...are you mentally retarded? Because I think that you really must be to make such a ridiculous statement. You are definitely coming across as an individual who is thoroughly unable to grasp the real world, never mind the very real facts presented before you. Not only do I question your integrity now, but I am seriously questioning your intelligence level.

Hey, looks like maybe Phatscotty's gonna get me banned again, this time for asking a serious question. But hey, he doesn't troll, right?

BigBallinStalin...this is your new and improved Phatscotty? Shit...he's no different than the old one at all.

Woodruff...notice you do not even take one second in your blistering tirade of insults to even say what the hell you are talking about?

"What the hell I was talking about" is your utter unwillingness to do anything much but troll. You made thoroughly idiotic statements which only make you look like an utter buffoon.

I wish our conversations were more like this

I wish you'd actually try to hold an honest conversation with me.

[Phatscotty]

Thanks Strike, but woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me. For woodruff, the details are important because these media people are taking the side of Obama, against Romney.

Are you actually retarded? I don't mean that as a flame...I mean that as a sincere question? Phatscotty...are you mentally retarded? Because I think that you really must be to make such a ridiculous statement. You are definitely coming across as an individual who is thoroughly unable to grasp the real world, never mind the very real facts presented before you. Not only do I question your integrity now, but I am seriously questioning your intelligence level.

Hey, looks like maybe Phatscotty's gonna get me banned again, this time for asking a serious question. But hey, he doesn't troll, right?

BigBallinStalin...this is your new and improved Phatscotty? Shit...he's no different than the old one at all.

Woodruff...notice you do not even take one second in your blistering tirade of insults to even say what the hell you are talking about?

"What the hell I was talking about" is your utter unwillingness to do anything much but troll. You made thoroughly idiotic statements which only make you look like an utter buffoon.

I wish our conversations were more like this

I wish you'd actually try to hold an honest conversation with me.

Here's one for honesty.....If you had not started this conversation by calling me a retard, then I might believe your wish to hold honest conversation. What I do believe is that you are completely full of crap, and this is just more crap. There is no fun calling crap crap.

[Woodruff]

Thanks Strike, but woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me. For woodruff, the details are important because these media people are taking the side of Obama, against Romney.

Are you actually retarded? I don't mean that as a flame...I mean that as a sincere question? Phatscotty...are you mentally retarded? Because I think that you really must be to make such a ridiculous statement. You are definitely coming across as an individual who is thoroughly unable to grasp the real world, never mind the very real facts presented before you. Not only do I question your integrity now, but I am seriously questioning your intelligence level.

Hey, looks like maybe Phatscotty's gonna get me banned again, this time for asking a serious question. But hey, he doesn't troll, right?

BigBallinStalin...this is your new and improved Phatscotty? Shit...he's no different than the old one at all.

Woodruff...notice you do not even take one second in your blistering tirade of insults to even say what the hell you are talking about?

"What the hell I was talking about" is your utter unwillingness to do anything much but troll. You made thoroughly idiotic statements which only make you look like an utter buffoon.

I wish our conversations were more like this

I wish you'd actually try to hold an honest conversation with me.

Here's one for honesty.....If you had not started this conversation by calling me a retard

Let's stop right here...you're trying to contend that I started this conversation by calling you a retard? Really?

then I might believe your wish to hold honest conversation. What I do believe is that you are completely full of crap, and this is just more crap. There is no fun calling crap crap.

Why are you such an utter failure of a human being?

[Phatscotty]

Well, I was talking to Night Strike, and then you butted in. I was not talking to you before, so yes, you initiating talking to me....

See? this is just stupid!!!!!!!

Go ruin someone else's thread

[Woodruff]

Well, I was talking to Night Strike, and then you butted in. I was not talking to you before, so yes, you initiating talking to me...

So you really are mentally retarded? I mean...you even made a reference to "Woodruff is just trying to get a rise out of me" or some-such bullshit in your post.

See? this is just stupid!!!!!!!

Yes, it certainly is. You are one dishonest motherfucker.

[Phatscotty]

Anyways....just made this point elsewhere, and I was wondering if the Libertarians here would chew on it...

I understand it seems like the small L libertarians notice they can get elected in the new Republican party, and the capital L libertarians are moving to the third party. But I think we need to come together in a big tent and oppose Obama, because I don't want Obama appointing the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices, as that will probably nail the lid on the casket on any Libertarian issues getting anywhere for the next generation or maybe even 2 generations....
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[BigBallinStalin]

The growth of non-libertarian SCJs is encouraged by the current political system, regardless of president, but I see your point and will marginally budge but not quite.

Besides, that growth is affected by the dominant cultural attitudes of most Americans whose good intentions lead them to further increase the government's scope of authority.

It's lose-lose with either political party, so all I can work on is voting independent and encouraging others to be more libertarian/classical liberal.

[comic boy]

Scotty
As you seem convinced that Obama is not going to win I am surprised that you have still not accepted my wager . Romney becomes President and I pay out , Obama gets a second term and you lose , any amount you care to stake , surely its easy money for you