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Symmetry wrote:2dimes wrote:Yeah, every one that went to take the modern state of Israel back must have been from Australia.
Oh for goodness sake, I gave you the demographics. I'm not sure why you're harping on about this.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
2dimes wrote:Symmetry wrote:2dimes wrote:Yeah, every one that went to take the modern state of Israel back must have been from Australia.
Oh for goodness sake, I gave you the demographics. I'm not sure why you're harping on about this.
Oh, I don't know. Just for entertainment mostly. I should probably get a job at the arches or something.
Why are you pretending to be dumb.
If you really figure the answer to my question of where the people that settled, settled, not live there now, is answered by. "Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born" then I'm not sure what to say here.
Symmetry wrote:
There's always wikipedia, if you are genuinely puzzled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#DemographicsIsrael was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Sure, thanks but, you're daft if you think I care enough about what you're trying to convince me of to dig through 90+% non relevant info here.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
2dimes wrote:This?Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Sure, thanks but, you're daft if you think I care enough about what you're trying to convince me of to dig through 90+% non relevant info here.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
I invite you to read it close. You''ve convinced me of your thing, I guess all Jewish people that lost property during world war II were killed, none of them ended up taking over land in Israel.
Symmetry wrote:2dimes wrote:This?Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Sure, thanks but, you're daft if you think I care enough about what you're trying to convince me of to dig through 90+% non relevant info here.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
I invite you to read it close. You''ve convinced me of your thing, I guess all Jewish people that lost property during world war II were killed, none of them ended up taking over land in Israel.
You're welcome to show me any kind of evidence for your stance. I will, until then, remain a bit skeptical about your guesses.
saxitoxin wrote:This was a huge, stunning victory for Hamas and a major, humiliating defeat for militant Zionism. It's amazing what a battered, broken and outnumbered people can do against one of the world's largest war machines if sufficiently motivated. The significance of this Hamas victory - and totality of the Israeli defeat - can't be understated.
patches70 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:This was a huge, stunning victory for Hamas and a major, humiliating defeat for militant Zionism. It's amazing what a battered, broken and outnumbered people can do against one of the world's largest war machines if sufficiently motivated. The significance of this Hamas victory - and totality of the Israeli defeat - can't be understated.
Good one Saxi.
Metsfanmax wrote:Symmetry wrote:2dimes wrote:This?Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Sure, thanks but, you're daft if you think I care enough about what you're trying to convince me of to dig through 90+% non relevant info here.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
I invite you to read it close. You''ve convinced me of your thing, I guess all Jewish people that lost property during world war II were killed, none of them ended up taking over land in Israel.
You're welcome to show me any kind of evidence for your stance. I will, until then, remain a bit skeptical about your guesses.
Your argument is analogous to saying "well, most Americans today are American-born, so I'm skeptical of the claim that most of them are actually descendants of Europeans."
Symmetry wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Symmetry wrote:2dimes wrote:This?Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people and is often referred to as a Jewish state. The country's Law of Return grants all Jews and those of Jewish lineage the right to Israeli citizenship.[340] Over three quarters, or 75.5%, of the population are Jews from a diversity of Jewish backgrounds. Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Sure, thanks but, you're daft if you think I care enough about what you're trying to convince me of to dig through 90+% non relevant info here.[341][342] Approximately 68% of Israeli Jews are Israeli-born, 22% are immigrants from Europe and the Americas, and 10% are immigrants from Asia and Africa (including the Arab World).[343][344] Jews who left or fled Arab and Muslim countries and their descendants, known as Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews,[345] constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis.[346][347][348] Jews from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union and their Israeli-born descendants, or Ashkenazi Jews, form most of the rest of the Jewish population.
I invite you to read it close. You''ve convinced me of your thing, I guess all Jewish people that lost property during world war II were killed, none of them ended up taking over land in Israel.
You're welcome to show me any kind of evidence for your stance. I will, until then, remain a bit skeptical about your guesses.
Your argument is analogous to saying "well, most Americans today are American-born, so I'm skeptical of the claim that most of them are actually descendants of Europeans."
Still no source? Are you guys really going to stick with crude ad homs and declasse critiques? Post your evidence, and we'll talk.
saxitoxin wrote:patches70 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:This was a huge, stunning victory for Hamas and a major, humiliating defeat for militant Zionism. It's amazing what a battered, broken and outnumbered people can do against one of the world's largest war machines if sufficiently motivated. The significance of this Hamas victory - and totality of the Israeli defeat - can't be understated.
Good one Saxi.
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For five years, Israel has claimed that they will be totally insecure and open to a full-on assault without the blockade on Gaza. Hamas begins military operations against Israel and - eight days later - Netanyahu agrees, from his underground bunker where he's hiding, to capitulate and agrees to lift the blockade. I'd call that a pretty significant victory. And, it was the victory of a tiny nation of 1.5 million people equipped with Soviet-era surplus weapons against a nation of 8 million armed to the teeth with the latest in advanced technology.
Looks like the Israelis aren't the only ones who can bring down the Walls of Jericho.
Symmetry wrote:ITT Mets is ardent that he's correct, can't back it up, gets upset when a poster asks him to back up his claims, makes a pissy "ITT" post about the poster who asked him for something, anything that would support his stance.
The rest is history.
Still no source? Are you guys really going to stick with crude ad homs and declasse critiques? Post your evidence, and we'll talk.
patches70 wrote:the definitive history of the conflict, put to soothing music-
patches70 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:patches70 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:This was a huge, stunning victory for Hamas and a major, humiliating defeat for militant Zionism. It's amazing what a battered, broken and outnumbered people can do against one of the world's largest war machines if sufficiently motivated. The significance of this Hamas victory - and totality of the Israeli defeat - can't be understated.
Good one Saxi.
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For five years, Israel has claimed that they will be totally insecure and open to a full-on assault without the blockade on Gaza. Hamas begins military operations against Israel and - eight days later - Netanyahu agrees, from his underground bunker where he's hiding, to capitulate and agrees to lift the blockade. I'd call that a pretty significant victory. And, it was the victory of a tiny nation of 1.5 million people equipped with Soviet-era surplus weapons against a nation of 8 million armed to the teeth with the latest in advanced technology.
Looks like the Israelis aren't the only ones who can bring down the Walls of Jericho.
Don't wanna burst your bubble, but Israel isn't going to lift their naval blockade. They aren't going to let weapons and large numbers of commodities, in particular building supplies, steel and such.
The Palestinians will be let through the Egyptian overland crossing. Gaza will still not be able to trade directly, all trade to Gaza will continue to go through Israel first.
And the first excuse, like a rocket fired, a shooting at the border and it all clamps right back down.
Here is victory for ya-
What's it called? A Pyrrhic victory.
Go Team!
saxitoxin wrote:Making predictions of future victories by Israel is easy. Those predictions are based on an assumption Zionists will engage in deceit and duplicity and violation of the truce. But those are acts which will precipitate more aggressive military action against Israel in the future and will propel the entire region down a path that can only end in Allied Arab action against the pirate state. Israel barely scratched out victory in 1973 with massive U.S. resupply efforts. Once the U.S. has followed Europe over the brink of bankruptcy, Israel may find itself naked in a field of scorpions. If it's smart, and is thinking more than 9 months ahead, it will obey the ceasefire to the letter and spirit.
Metsfanmax wrote:Symmetry wrote:ITT Mets is ardent that he's correct, can't back it up, gets upset when a poster asks him to back up his claims, makes a pissy "ITT" post about the poster who asked him for something, anything that would support his stance.
The rest is history.
I didn't actually make a claim. I'm not sure what you think I am intending to "back up." I am simply critiquing the idea that a demographic census of Israel in 2012 says anything about Israeli demographics in 1948.
Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo. Hitler himself personally supported Zionism. During the 1930's, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized "Kibbutz" training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of "Israel".
On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist "state of Israel" declared "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution."
Of the two and a half million Jews seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union. In the mid-70's, more people emigrated out of "Israel' than came in.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antis ... upport.cfm
saxitoxin wrote:As for Jewish property losses - they have been, and continue to be, compensated both individually and collectively through the Conference on Material Claims Against Germany. Likewise, Palestinians deserve to be compensated for their property losses in exactly the same way.
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