hahaha3hahaha wrote: jonesthecurl wrote:Um, I don't grant the Bible any authority whatsoever.
I'm not attempting to use it to back up MY position, I am ( I repeat) not a christian. This is after many years of serious consideration (as I've said lots, mostly before you appeared on the scene).
But (once again) the "vast majority" of "Christians" accept evolution.
Go ahead and agrue it with them.
Your whole premise to arguing against me (that you are self-admittedly not even supporting yourself anyway) is that if someone claims something to be true- it must be true, regardless how little logic and rationale it contains.
No, be honest, now. His position is that you don't speak for "Christianity" or even the majority of it. Beyond that, the argument is that evolutionary theory agrees with the EVIDENCE that is verified and tested. It has nothing to do with what the majority of people believe, though at some point, when you have 10,000,000 people disagreeing , it behooves you to at least
understand the debate. See, the biggest problem with most supposed evolution disputers is that they tend to argue things that have nothing to do with the theory of evolution at all. If you wish to challenge this AGAIN (been brought up more than a few times, with regularity) try visiting one of the several threads already begun. Its not that I, personally mind going over this.. AGAIN, its just that it tends to bore a lot of folks and, well at least reading the previous debates more or less ensures you won't simply repeat what has already been said and refuted many times over.
hahaha3hahaha wrote:You STILL have not been able to provide me any evidence that the Bible supports evolutionism. Your only support for the Bible teaching evolution is that "because people claim it to be true- it must be true"- regardless of the fact that this claim is completely baseless.
Jones probably won't bother, because, as he told you, he doesn't consider himself a Christian. I am. I am also a scientist. I am more than happy to answer/address ANY of your challenges, but in another thread, since that is not the topic of this thread. As noted above, you might start with a review of what has already been posted on this subject in the various other evolution versus creationism threads.
To get you started a little, here is a synopsis.
#1 The Bible says that God created the Earth and all, in 6 days. EXCEPT.. the Bible says "days", not "24 hours" or "one revolution of the Earth". The term "day" in Hebrew, like the term day in English, like the terms "evening" and "morning" in both English and Hebrew all can be used to mean a specific time period OR to mean a more general block of time... eg "the evening of his life".. etc. If you bother, you can delve into historical Jewish documents/history and you will find this is pretty consistant. NOTE.. while Christ changed a lot, he did not change the historical Jewish view. Think about that, as you make the claim that this is some kind of fundamental point.. and yes, it WAS one of many long standing debates (how old the Earth might be, etc).
#2. The order, listings of species match the order of appearance seen in the fossil evidence. Ironically, there are HUGE gaps in the Biblical account. No mention at all is made of many species, species just not known to the ancient Jews. No mention at all is made of species that died off, such as the brontosourus, Terradons and other prehistoric flora and fauna. These things like the processes involved in evolution, were not mentioned because they had no meaning to the ancient Jews and no real bearing on whether God created the Earth or not.
#3. Even if you dispute the facts supporting evolution, that doesn't mean its OK to simply add in another theory that fits none of the data known and verified. Christ teaches us truth, not to deny it. People who claim that fossils are all just fakes, that all mention of transition species are fraudulent all flat out lie. Ironically, they often even us scientific criticisms to make the claim that the science is false.
Most people who are Christians, along with most Jews do accept evolution. That is not a biased opinion, unless you insist on using one of the narrow groups definitions of who is and is not a Christian. For me.. I stick with the Bible. Christ said all who believe in me shall not perish, not all who deny evolution.