Romney Campaign: No Gays Allowed

[saxitoxin]

Your questions have been answered and you're choosing to ignore those answers. At this point I'm not sure if you're dishonest or delusional, but frankly I'm not interested in carrying on a conversation like this with someone as radically far left as you seem to be.

How sweet of you. You almost make it seem like your inability to answer basic questions or provide evidence for your strange assertions are somehow my fault, and indeed that your cowardice and inability to admit your mistakes are a point of virtue, rather than you running away, scared, afraid, and ignorant.

Agree or disagree with him, GabonX answered your questions fairly succinctly and in a couple lines. Instead of rebutting his points or engaging him in conversation you started pounding out the following -

- scared
- afraid
- ignorant
- cute
- "wear the big boy pants"
- coward x 2
- unable x 2

- and it's still only page 1 of the thread! Your replies to GabonX were such bizarre non-sequiturs, in fact, it comes across as if you had a series of insults and ad hominem attacks pre-loaded, ready to cut-and-paste and flood out at whatever unsuspecting poster took the bait and ventured inside.

That's why I thought you were trying to make a speech, rather than trying to start a conversation. Your tone, language choice and style of composition doesn't really fit the template of how rational, even-tempered people initiate discussions, rather the template of how crazy men with wild hair scream about the end of the world on the street corner.

If you are looking for the opportunity to compose op-eds, you may find other outlets more satisfying than a discussion forum which, as the name implies, portends discussion.

[saxitoxin]

Here's a newspaper in Peru looking for submissions. This could be a possible opportunity:

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[Symmetry]

[Agree or disagree with him, GabonX answered your questions fairly succinctly and in a couple lines. Instead of rebutting his points or engaging him in conversation you started pounding out the following -

- scared
- afraid
- ignorant
- cute
- "wear the big boy pants"
- coward x 2
- unable x 2

- and it's still only page 1 of the thread! Your replies to GabonX were such bizarre non-sequiturs, in fact, it comes across as if you had a series of insults and ad hominem attacks pre-loaded, ready to cut-and-paste and flood out at whatever unsuspecting poster took the bait and ventured inside.

That's why I thought you were trying to make a speech, rather than trying to start a conversation. Your tone, language choice and style of composition doesn't really fit the template of how people initiate discussions, rather the template of how crazy men with wild hair scream about the end of the world on the street corner.

If you are looking for the opportunity to compose op-eds, you may find other outlets more satisfying than a discussion forum which, as the name implies, portends discussion.

So, getting back on topic, what's your take on Romney kicking out homosexuals from his campaign?

[saxitoxin]

[Agree or disagree with him, GabonX answered your questions fairly succinctly and in a couple lines. Instead of rebutting his points or engaging him in conversation you started pounding out the following -

- scared
- afraid
- ignorant
- cute
- "wear the big boy pants"
- coward x 2
- unable x 2

- and it's still only page 1 of the thread! Your replies to GabonX were such bizarre non-sequiturs, in fact, it comes across as if you had a series of insults and ad hominem attacks pre-loaded, ready to cut-and-paste and flood out at whatever unsuspecting poster took the bait and ventured inside.

That's why I thought you were trying to make a speech, rather than trying to start a conversation. Your tone, language choice and style of composition doesn't really fit the template of how people initiate discussions, rather the template of how crazy men with wild hair scream about the end of the world on the street corner.

If you are looking for the opportunity to compose op-eds, you may find other outlets more satisfying than a discussion forum which, as the name implies, portends discussion.

So, getting back on topic, what's your take on Romney kicking out homosexuals from his campaign?

Why don't you save me the trouble of typing a response and just go ahead and post the rant you have primed to go?

[Phatscotty]

I'm sure Romney is going to take a HUGE pounding for this...

[Phatscotty]

condemned from everyone but the far right.

That's a bit of a stretch, as is your dishonest title.

He learned it from watching the Pimp-Father

[saxitoxin]

condemned from everyone but the far right.

That's a bit of a stretch, as is your dishonest title.

He learned it from watching the Pimp-Father

[Symmetry]

The idea that simply being gay disqualifies a person from a conservative position is just wrong. Conservatism shoukd primarily concern issues of governance, fiscal responsibility, and responsibility. Romney, in firing this man, or if your prefer, forcing him to resign, has caved to far-right influences.

The man had no say over over issues that conservatives find controversial concerning gay rights- his prerogative was foreign policy.By all accounts he was good at his job, and solidly conservative. He was kicked out because he was gay.

How's that?

[GabonX]

I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.


Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.

[saxitoxin]

The idea that simply being gay disqualifies a person from a conservative position is just wrong. Conservatism shoukd primarily concern issues of governance, fiscal responsibility, and responsibility. Romney, in firing this man, or if your prefer, forcing him to resign, has caved to far-right influences.

The man had no say over over issues that conservatives find controversial concerning gay rights- his prerogative was foreign policy.By all accounts he was good at his job, and solidly conservative. He was kicked out because he was gay.

How's that?

Like I said, I think you've never failed to impress us all with your ability to hold very detailed conversations with yourself.

If it helps your imaginative process to pretend various people are participating on the other side of the discussion, go for it! If you'd like to make a cardboard cutout of me to put in your foyer and enhance the experience I have no problem with that either and I'm sure neither would Gabby! Have fun today, Symm, this sounds like a fun little project for you.

[Symmetry]

I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.


Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.

Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.

Do you have anything to contribute?

[Phatscotty]

Welcome to Log Cabin Republicans.
Log Cabin Republicans are proud members of the GOP who believe inclusion wins. Log Cabin works to build a stronger, more inclusive Republican Party by promoting the core values of limited government, individual liberty, personal responsibility, free markets and a strong national defense while advocating for the freedom and equality of gay and lesbian Americans.

Log Cabin Republicans is the only Republican organization dedicated to representing the interests of gay and lesbian Americans and their allies. The 30-year old organization has state and local chapters nationwide, a full-time office in Washington, DC, a federal political action committee and state political action committees.

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[Symmetry]

'Hyperpartisan discussion' ends gay spokesman's stint with Romney

The tenure of an openly gay spokesman for Mitt Romney's campaign lasted less than two weeks.

On April 19, Romney’s campaign announced it had hired Richard Grenell, 45, as its foreign policy spokesman. On Tuesday, Grenell tendered his resignation, citing a “hyperpartisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from being on a presidential campaign.”

Grenell never had a chance to make an impression with the public in this job. Last Thursday, the Romney campaign held a conference call with reporters to blunt a foreign policy speech that Vice President Joe Biden was about to deliver. Though Grenell was on the phone, he did not speak.

Grenell, an unabashed supporter of gay marriage who has a longtime partner, was attacked by evangelical Christian conservatives who, like Romney, oppose gay marriage, and said Romney was compromising himself on the issue by hiring Grenell.

“The message Gov. Romney appears to be sending to the pro-family community … is ‘drop dead,’” wrote Bryan Fischer of the American Family Assn., which was designated as a “hate group” in 2010 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its anti-gay comments. Tony Perkins of Family Research Council intimated that Grenell would be sympathetic to the foreign policy goals of the Obama administration because he is gay.

[saxitoxin]

[GabonX]

I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.


Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.

Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.

Do you have anything to contribute?

From your article:

Several top Romney campaign officials tried to persuade Grenell to stay on and enlisted former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, another openly gay GOP figure, to appeal to him as well, according to a source with knowledge of Mehlman's involvement. Mehlman declined to comment to HuffPost.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 ... 72188.html

[Phatscotty]

wow, what did I step into?

[Symmetry]

Weak sauce, Gabon, who tried to persuade him? I'm going to say that Romney didn't.

Don't spam the thread if you don't have a point to make.

[BigBallinStalin]

I don't get it.

condemned from everyone but the far right.

That's a bit of a stretch, as is your dishonest title.

GabonX also claims that he wasn't forced out. In fact, he was encouraged to stay. (here


Then there's the back-and-forth, mutual understanding has been prevented, and saxitoxin highlights Symmetry's method of doing so (here


After all this, we still get this response:

I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.


Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.

Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. , in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.

Do you have anything to contribute?

Clearly, evidence for GabonX's claims have already been provided. Symmetry hasn't been reading them, failed to understand them, changed the conditions of evidence from the old argument to some new unrelated argument, or is simply not interested in discussion--but rather interested in his own monologue, as saxitoxin has pointed out.


(fastposted by GabonX, but maybe having two sources will be sufficient for Symmetry's vague standard of evidence).

[saxitoxin]

[Symmetry]

15 identical posts? Even people critical of me have to accept that that's beyond the pale.

[Phatscotty]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/LGBTlibertarians

[saxitoxin]

[Symmetry]

Meh, I simply reported Gabon. Posting the same thing 15 times, even after I replied... I don't think any of you would appreciate me behaving like that in your threads,

[Phatscotty]

Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.

You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole

[Symmetry]

Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.

You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole

And yet this is clear case of someone being kicked out because he is gay.