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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby ser stiefel on Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:19 pm

xelabale wrote:
What is this organisation? This is their paragraph explaining their existence:

EIA wrote:At the Energy Information Administration, we provide policy-neutral data, forecasts, and analyses to promote sound policy making, efficient markets, and public understanding regarding energy and its interaction with the economy and the environment.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/

This is an administration in the US Federal Government. They are part of the Department of Engergy. Currently, the DoE is headed by Steven Chu appointed by the Obama Administration.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby xelabale on Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:42 pm

ser stiefel wrote:
xelabale wrote:
What is this organisation? This is their paragraph explaining their existence:

EIA wrote:At the Energy Information Administration, we provide policy-neutral data, forecasts, and analyses to promote sound policy making, efficient markets, and public understanding regarding energy and its interaction with the economy and the environment.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/

This is an administration in the US Federal Government. They are part of the Department of Engergy. Currently, the DoE is headed by Steven Chu appointed by the Obama Administration.

Yes. Do you trust them?
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby bedub1 on Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:40 pm

xelabale wrote:
ser stiefel wrote:
xelabale wrote:
What is this organisation? This is their paragraph explaining their existence:

EIA wrote:At the Energy Information Administration, we provide policy-neutral data, forecasts, and analyses to promote sound policy making, efficient markets, and public understanding regarding energy and its interaction with the economy and the environment.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/

This is an administration in the US Federal Government. They are part of the Department of Engergy. Currently, the DoE is headed by Steven Chu appointed by the Obama Administration.

Yes. Do you trust them?

I trust them to do whatever serves their purposes best, and I hope that includes telling the truth, but I don't count on it.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:33 pm

Physicists collude in manipulating data!

http://www.desmogblog.com/climategate-p ... aac-newton
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby F1fth on Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:02 pm

Neoteny wrote:Physicists collude in manipulating data!

http://www.desmogblog.com/climategate-p ... aac-newton


Context, schmontext... Newton lied! Gravity was just a hoax made to profit these greedy scientists. Think of all the money they could be made by fooling the sheep out there into believing this scam. They could pawn of all kinds of worthless things... slinkeys, airplanes tickets, shoes, and who knows what else? Everybody knows that potential to profit = guaranteed lies.

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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby xelabale on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:58 am

bedub1 wrote:
xelabale wrote:
ser stiefel wrote:
xelabale wrote:
What is this organisation? This is their paragraph explaining their existence:

EIA wrote:At the Energy Information Administration, we provide policy-neutral data, forecasts, and analyses to promote sound policy making, efficient markets, and public understanding regarding energy and its interaction with the economy and the environment.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/

This is an administration in the US Federal Government. They are part of the Department of Engergy. Currently, the DoE is headed by Steven Chu appointed by the Obama Administration.

Yes. Do you trust them?

I trust them to do whatever serves their purposes best, and I hope that includes telling the truth, but I don't count on it.
Do you trust the author of nightstrike's report?

Nightstrike, do you have an answer to my post?
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Night Strike on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:18 pm

xelabale wrote:Nightstrike, do you have an answer to my post?


I don't need to reply with the same answer others have already provided. Your reference is of a governmental organization that defaults to the position that global warming is a fact.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:23 pm

F1fth wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Physicists collude in manipulating data!

http://www.desmogblog.com/climategate-p ... aac-newton


Context, schmontext... Newton lied! Gravity was just a hoax made to profit these greedy scientists. Think of all the money they could be made by fooling the sheep out there into believing this scam. They could pawn of all kinds of worthless things... slinkeys, airplanes tickets, shoes, and who knows what else? Everybody knows that potential to profit = guaranteed lies.

People of CC, the world, never forget Gravitygate!





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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby spurgistan on Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:56 pm

Night Strike wrote:
xelabale wrote:Nightstrike, do you have an answer to my post?


I don't need to reply with the same answer others have already provided. Your reference is of a governmental organization that defaults to the position that global warming is a fact.


So, no government, no scientists. Who would be able to convince you that anthropogenic climate change exists?
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:49 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
F1fth wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Physicists collude in manipulating data!

http://www.desmogblog.com/climategate-p ... aac-newton


Context, schmontext... Newton lied! Gravity was just a hoax made to profit these greedy scientists. Think of all the money they could be made by fooling the sheep out there into believing this scam. They could pawn of all kinds of worthless things... slinkeys, airplanes tickets, shoes, and who knows what else? Everybody knows that potential to profit = guaranteed lies.

People of CC, the world, never forget Gravitygate!





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I fail to see the straw. It's commenting on the crazies taking the emails out of context.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Nobunaga on Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:05 pm

... These folks are all about saving the planet, man, in Copenhagen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQqUACJ_Kw

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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby xelabale on Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:59 am

Night Strike wrote:
xelabale wrote:Nightstrike, do you have an answer to my post?


I don't need to reply with the same answer others have already provided. Your reference is of a governmental organization that defaults to the position that global warming is a fact.

They are non-party non-partisan - what more do you want. No-one has countered the logic in my post regarding your report - do you accept my points?

And thanks for reporting my post - nice for someone who claimed to "put the flaming to one side".
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby HapSmo19 on Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:32 pm

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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:42 pm

That video looks familiar...
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:35 pm

F1fth wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Physicists collude in manipulating data!

http://www.desmogblog.com/climategate-p ... aac-newton


Context, schmontext... Newton lied! Gravity was just a hoax made to profit these greedy scientists. Think of all the money they could be made by fooling the sheep out there into believing this scam. They could pawn of all kinds of worthless things... slinkeys, airplanes tickets, shoes, and who knows what else? Everybody knows that potential to profit = guaranteed lies.

People of CC, the world, never forget Gravitygate!





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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby bedub1 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:15 pm

Well....they aren't really manipulating data in this case...they are just making it up.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/200 ... rnings.ars

Lawmakers are thinking about passing laws for stuff science says isn't needed. When will they learn?
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Snorri1234 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:09 am

bedub1 wrote:Well....they aren't really manipulating data in this case...they are just making it up.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/200 ... rnings.ars

Lawmakers are thinking about passing laws for stuff science says isn't needed. When will they learn?


You know what is awesome?


That article talks about exactly why this "global warming critics are repressed"-talk is bullshit.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby vodean on Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:16 am

bedub1 wrote:Well....they aren't really manipulating data in this case...they are just making it up.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/200 ... rnings.ars

Lawmakers are thinking about passing laws for stuff science says isn't needed. When will they learn?

same thing, only worse, therefore, lets go back to how life was.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:54 pm

So, having sifted through a mountain of bullshit, I've finally found what I was looking for. Creeping through the thousands of hits of regurgitations of McAleer's version of events, I finally found a version that shows the whole question and answer session. I wouldn't say it's complete because it does not show McAleer's discussion with the guard, since that happened after the actual Q&A session was over, but, when taken together, we can get a much better sense of what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH6fCE02xIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI See this? It's called providing context, even if it doesn't shine a positive light on your side of the story...

The first thing you might notice is that these two gentlemen appear to be familiar with each other. This explains a great deal of the bitchiness behind Schneider's response. He's had his words twisted around by McAleer before. This is an understandable response.

We miss the first time they attempt to take the mic away (I'm thinking the girl is expecting that to be his only question, she doesn't know he has a publicity stunt set up, but that's just conjecture. The alternative was that they knew he was going to ask difficult questions and didn't print him a press pass... wait...), but we see the second time and can actually make out a bit of what she is saying. "This doesn't have anything to do with the presentation," or something to that effect. Sounds like SUPPRESSION!

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Schneider then says he'll keep it short. McAleer interrupts and they go back and forth for a good amount of time. It even gets a little bit heated. Schneider answers one other question, and that's the end of it. McAleer's video picks up at this point, and then there's a little bit with McAleer arguing with the guard at the end of the first video.

Apparently, there was no question limit, but I threw that out there to demonstrate that we need more context, and it's clear that I was right in that regard. This is all the context I need. This is a professional conference, McAleer was given much more than his fair share of time in the spotlight (you have your documentaries), and was merely hassling Schneider. There is no reason to have to put up with that, so when they noticed McAleer back in line to continue being a jerk, they had security escort him away. This is not suppression of dissent, this is removal of loons. This is why I said we needed to know more about what went on. It's now even more clear that McAleer can't be trusted to give a truthful version of events. Context. Ironically, what they were discussing relates exactly to this very issue. All those emails were used in the exact same way that McAleer used this Q&A session. They were taken out of context and used to prove a point that was not an accurate portrayal of events. This is why we, as scientists, think of "skeptics" as hand-wringing, word-twisting, liars. Because all of the popular arguments against a scientific perspective are framed just like this.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:38 pm

It's kind of sad that neoteny had to do this. I weep for him.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:40 pm

thegreekdog wrote:It's kind of sad that neoteny had to do this. I weep for him.


You should. It took, like, an hour.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:45 pm

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thegreekdog wrote:It's kind of sad that neoteny had to do this. I weep for him.


You should. It took, like, an hour.


I have some research you can help me with if you're that bored.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:05 pm

I'm not bored. It's interesting to me; it's just the effort of wading through the crap that is a bit taxing.
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:03 pm

=D> =D> =D> =D> For Neoteny
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Re: Climatologists have colluded in manipulating data...

Postby HapSmo19 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:55 pm

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