free will vs omniscience

[Juan_Bottom]

(S)he may actually be a genious of comedy.... Because "the Big Bang Hypothesis" made me laugh. For really...

[PLAYER57832]

(S)he may actually be a genious of comedy.... Because "the Big Bang Hypothesis" made me laugh. For really...

It would make me laugh, too, (does, but "gallows humor") except that these folks have permeated the Bush administration and several prominant businesses. They are, unfortunately, not to be dismissed.

Crazy, illogical and completely misguided, but powerful none-the-less. And, you can see just how "open" to debate or truth or proofs they are.

Watch out ... its coming to a school near you.

[Juan_Bottom]

You must have missed it...

My High School was very small. Our only Science teacher was also a vital member of the community church... He failed those of us who weren't christians...

He had Bible studies in his classroom during lunch hour...

And for every science he taught our class, he would also teach the bible's version. Our tests would have a butt-load of "bonus questions" on them. 50 about Evolution, for example, and 50 bonuses about Creationism.

I was nearly flunked out of school, and had to take correspondance courses. I couldn't get anyone to stand up for us. We had a Jehovah's Witness in our grade, but her parents just switched her school.

I hate that guy.

[PLAYER57832]

:lol: You must have missed it...

My High School was very small. Our only Science teacher was also a vital member of the community church... He failed those of us who weren't christians...

He had Bible studies in his classroom during lunch hour...

And for every science he taught our class, he would also teach the bible's version. Our tests would have a butt-load of "bonus questions" on them. 50 about Evolution, for example, and 50 bonuses about Creationism.

I was nearly flunked out of school, and had to take correspondance courses. I couldn't get anyone to stand up for us. We had a Jehovah's Witness in our grade, but her parents just switched her school.


I hate that guy.

Now I remember, actually.

Don't waste your time hating that guy, though. It will burn you up inside without touching him in the least. (much easier said that done! ... I know!)

If its a public school, You could contact the ACLU, but if its not a public school, there is not much anybody can do. If it is a public school, you would either have to be in that school still or somehow currently harmed (unable to get into College or get a job due to poor grades, for example). And you would have had to have kept all your exams, etc. If you do know anyone else there, you might suggest that course of action to them.

Other than that, learn real science well and pass it on as much as you can. AND you might try writing your congressman and state officials, if they are not Creationist.

[Juan_Bottom]

He doesn't teach anymore. He got sick and both of his legs were removed. The School District also had enough of parents complaining, and took that step out of the dark ages... only they waited till after I graduated . The trouble I had trying to get him removed before was that the community protected him. And It was a public school.

Now my problem is people like Borg running amuck. And I will meet them, everytime. And though I was quite condesending with him/her, I still gave 'em a chance to correct his/her errors. Should I shout them down? I have always been of the opinion that the only way to change a body's mind is through earnest conversation.

[MeDeFe]

Now my problem is people like Borg running amuck. And I will meet them, everytime. And though I was quite condesending with him/her, I still gave 'em a chance to correct his/her errors. Should I shout them down? I have always been of the opinion that the only way to change a body's mind is through earnest conversation.

I like your way of thinking.

[Jenos Ridan]

Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.

I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.

But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?

Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?

At what point is Free Will not really free but a matter of probability and consequences for both random chance and the choices one makes? When does it just the same as "reading from a script".

[PLAYER57832]

Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.

I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.

But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?

Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?

At what point is Free Will not really free but a matter of probability and consequences for both random chance and the choices one makes? When does it just the same as "reading from a script".

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

[Juan_Bottom]

I suppse the deeper question would be one about time. But I think this thread is dieing...

[Jenos Ridan]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

[MeDeFe]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.

[PLAYER57832]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.

In most senses, everything we do IS biology. But, we have the choice of how we respond.

It is like the old Mennonite saying. To re-act is to let someone else decide how you will act. They say they prefer to make their own decisions.