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[thegreekdog]

It is actually true. It's not propoganda. I read it in the bill. I quoted the part of the bill in other threads. I'm not going to do it again because it is probably a moot issue at this point. I'm a little disappointed that people still think it's propoganda. I'm especially disappointed because no conservative news radio talk show host or news station even discussed the portion of the bill that I'm talking about; probably because they did not read the bill.

[Timminz]

It is actually true. It's not propoganda. I read it in the bill. I quoted the part of the bill in other threads.

And numerous people pointed out exactly how you were misunderstanding the bill.

[Neoteny]

We explained to Nobunaga, like, three times.

[Nobunaga]

We explained to Nobunaga, like, three times.

... Explained what?

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[Neoteny]

[Neoteny]

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[PLAYER57832]

It is actually true. It's not propoganda. I read it in the bill. I quoted the part of the bill in other threads.

And numerous people pointed out exactly how you were misunderstanding the bill.

In fairness, while Nobunga and jay have outright misunderstood/ misquoted the bill, greekdog just disagrees on the outcome.

He does (if I misunderstood, correct me greek) not believe the bill directly creates socialism. He believes that socialism will be the result because it will not be possible for private companies to compete with the government.

[thegreekdog]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

[Timminz]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

But, isn't that based on the idea that once someone's private plan runs out (they lose their job, or what have you) they would not be able to get another private plan?

[thegreekdog]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

But, isn't that based on the idea that once someone's private plan runs out (they lose their job, or what have you) they would not be able to get another private plan?

Partially. It's based on the idea that the government, because it has virtually limitless resources because of taxation, can offer cheaper (and maybe better) plans than private insurance.

[Frigidus]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

But, isn't that based on the idea that once someone's private plan runs out (they lose their job, or what have you) they would not be able to get another private plan?

Partially. It's based on the idea that the government, because it has virtually limitless resources because of taxation, can offer cheaper (and maybe better) plans than private insurance.

But what about the countries that have a successful dual system?

[Snorri1234]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

But, isn't that based on the idea that once someone's private plan runs out (they lose their job, or what have you) they would not be able to get another private plan?

Partially. It's based on the idea that the government, because it has virtually limitless resources because of taxation, can offer cheaper (and maybe better) plans than private insurance.

But what about the countries that have a successful dual system?

And what about people who rather pay money for awesome care than take the terrible government-run care?

[thegreekdog]

Yes, that's right Player. I think the result of the bill, in 10 years or so, would have been completely government-run health insurance.

But, isn't that based on the idea that once someone's private plan runs out (they lose their job, or what have you) they would not be able to get another private plan?

Partially. It's based on the idea that the government, because it has virtually limitless resources because of taxation, can offer cheaper (and maybe better) plans than private insurance.

But what about the countries that have a successful dual system?

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

[Phatscotty]

Heres what Obama-lovers don't understand. We know exactly what we are opposing. We also know for a fact, that MANY if not MOST supporters have a "general" idea of what they are supporting.

[PopeBenXVI]

I trust the Government completely. They could never be wrong.

Some highlights from a recent article I read.....

"In the summer of 1965 President Lyndon Johnson went to Independence, Missouri to be with former president Truman while he signed the bill that created Medicare. The previous year, his administration had projected that Medicare would cost about $12 billion in 26 years, (including an allowance for inflation). Confident that this was an affordable plan, the nation was proud to make this entitlement available to its senior citizens.

By 1990, twenty six years after Johnson projected costs, Medicare’s actual tab was $110 billion, or almost 10 times the original projection. Now, Medicare costs U.S. taxpayers more than $400 billion, every year and, going forward, Medicare is expected to be insolvent by the year 2017."

Yes we can
Yes we can
Yes we can

[Phatscotty]

I trust the Government completely. They could never be wrong.

Some highlights from a recent article I read.....

"In the summer of 1965 President Lyndon Johnson went to Independence, Missouri to be with former president Truman while he signed the bill that created Medicare. The previous year, his administration had projected that Medicare would cost about $12 billion in 26 years, (including an allowance for inflation). Confident that this was an affordable plan, the nation was proud to make this entitlement available to its senior citizens.

By 1990, twenty six years after Johnson projected costs, Medicare’s actual tab was $110 billion, or almost 10 times the original projection. Now, Medicare costs U.S. taxpayers more than $400 billion, every year and, going forward, Medicare is expected to be insolvent by the year 2017."

Yes we can
Yes we can
Yes we can

Si Se Puede!

[Titanic]

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

Isnt that the exact plan Obama and the Democrats originally put forward?

[thegreekdog]

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

Isnt that the exact plan Obama and the Democrats originally put forward?

I don't know what you mean by "originally" since the bill that is "THE BILL" isn't that plan at all. Maybe that's what we're moving to and I wouldn't doubt it since President Obama is a very deft politician. He can play the conciliator and get a healthcare bill passed and say that he helped out all the poor and working class Americans who can't afford health insurance, which I think would be a good thing for him.

[PLAYER57832]

One point that keeps getting missed.. the largest cost for medicine today is not malpractice lawsuits or insurance. The biggest cost is plain filling out the paperword for all the various insurance company programs.

[spurgistan]

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

Isnt that the exact plan Obama and the Democrats originally put forward?

No - no - our plan is all about telling seniors to die.

[thegreekdog]

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

Isnt that the exact plan Obama and the Democrats originally put forward?

No - no - our plan is all about telling seniors to die.

And anyone who is critical of President Obama is racist.

[PopeBenXVI]

That's actually my idea (I think). I admittedly don't know much about any other systems, but I think someone mentioned Germany. I want a plan where the government takes care of the people that can't afford health insurance, imposes regulations making companies that do offer health insurance cover things like pre-existing conditions and long hospital stays, and some reform of the medical malpractice system. If that's what Germany has, do as the Germans do.

Isnt that the exact plan Obama and the Democrats originally put forward?

No - no - our plan is all about telling seniors to die.

And anyone who is critical of President Obama is racist.

Yes, if you disagree with a policy Obama proposes you are racist plain and simple. How can that not make perfect sense? Stop saying you disagree with his political views and admit it's because he is a brother! Pay no attention to any comments he himself has made in his book like calling his own grandmother "your typical white woman" whatever that means. Or "where white folks' greed runs a world in need," according to Obama himself. But thats not racist because he is black...or half black anyway......now I'm confused

[Snorri1234]

Yes, if you disagree with a policy Obama proposes you are racist plain and simple. How can that not make perfect sense? Stop saying you disagree with his political views and admit it's because he is a brother! Pay no attention to any comments he himself has made in his book like calling his own grandmother "your typical white woman" whatever that means. Or "where white folks' greed runs a world in need," according to Obama himself. But thats not racist because he is black...or half black anyway......now I'm confused

SURPRISE! It's the ignorant moron with a brand-new episode!

[Frigidus]

Yes, if you disagree with a policy Obama proposes you are racist plain and simple. How can that not make perfect sense? Stop saying you disagree with his political views and admit it's because he is a brother! Pay no attention to any comments he himself has made in his book like calling his own grandmother "your typical white woman" whatever that means. Or "where white folks' greed runs a world in need," according to Obama himself. But thats not racist because he is black...or half black anyway......now I'm confused

SURPRISE! It's the ignorant moron with a brand-new episode!

Some people view their opposition as literal straw men for some reason. I've been hearing this same garbage from some of my more right-leaning friends.

[Phatscotty]

Yes, if you disagree with a policy Obama proposes you are racist plain and simple. How can that not make perfect sense? Stop saying you disagree with his political views and admit it's because he is a brother! Pay no attention to any comments he himself has made in his book like calling his own grandmother "your typical white woman" whatever that means. Or "where white folks' greed runs a world in need," according to Obama himself. But thats not racist because he is black...or half black anyway......now I'm confused

SURPRISE! It's the ignorant moron with a brand-new episode!

Some people view their opposition as literal straw men for some reason. I've been hearing this same garbage from some of my more right-leaning friends.

have you considered, on this one time, maybe your firends are right? have you CONSIDERED it?