Rmoney and Taxes

[GreecePwns]

Obama released 10 years of tax records willingly (Biden too), and his birth certificate after pressure from conservatives groups. He is being asked to release college transcripts.

Romney released one page of a tax return after pressure from liberal groups, and nothing else. Romney is being asked to released full tax returns.

I don't know how the two are even comparable.

[patrickaa317]

Obama released 10 years of tax records willingly (Biden too), and his birth certificate after pressure from conservatives groups. He is being asked to release college transcripts.

Romney released one page of a tax return after pressure from liberal groups, and nothing else. Romney is being asked to released full tax returns.

I don't know how the two are even comparable.

Perhaps Romney will wait a couple years after being in office to release the tax records? Then there may be some discrepancies in the document that won't be researched or discussed further but you'll just have to be ok with it because they were released and questioning them further just makes you that much crazier.

[Symmetry]

Obama released 10 years of tax records willingly (Biden too), and his birth certificate after pressure from conservatives groups. He is being asked to release college transcripts.

Romney released one page of a tax return after pressure from liberal groups, and nothing else. Romney is being asked to released full tax returns.

I don't know how the two are even comparable.

Perhaps Romney will wait a couple years after being in office to release the tax records? Then there may be some discrepancies in the document that won't be researched or discussed further but you'll just have to be ok with it because they were released and questioning them further just makes you that much crazier.

Weird.

[Phatscotty]

Obama released 10 years of tax records willingly (Biden too), and his birth certificate after pressure from conservatives groups. He is being asked to release college transcripts.

Romney released one page of a tax return after pressure from liberal groups, and nothing else. Romney is being asked to released full tax returns.

I don't know how the two are even comparable.

Perhaps Romney will wait a couple years after being in office to release the tax records? Then there may be some discrepancies in the document that won't be researched or discussed further but you'll just have to be ok with it because they were released and questioning them further just makes you that much crazier.

rightttt, and all the Obama-lovers who were defending Obama for not having to release any records will 100% understand when Romney does the same thing with his records, right?!

Romney's tax records are on the way

[GreecePwns]

What are you going to find in Obama's college transcript that will be of vital voting importance?

[patrickaa317]

What are you going to find in Obama's college transcript that will be of vital voting importance?

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[GreecePwns]

OH okay. A presidential candidate (of the LIbertarian party) attacking another Presidential candidate, and his main source is a biased news source when it comes to American politics with an unscientific study.

Call 400 economics students from my college randomly in 20 years. You know how many will remember me? None. Because I lived off campus and most of my friends are from high school. This is probably true for a lot of people who live off campus.

And even if it were true, which I highly, highly doubt, how does that affect your vote?

[Phatscotty]

What are you going to find in Obama's college transcript that will be of vital voting importance?

the fact that he originally transferred to Occidental as a foreign exchange student, for one.

A thesis paper from Columbia lapping Mao's ballsack for another.

There is a reason why Obama sealed his College Transcript. Can you at least admit that much? regardless of what the reason is?

[Woodruff]

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

What leads you to believe that is true? Just because you want to say it is?

Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so
Obama is the one with stuff to hide, and one thing he can hide no longer is that fact the he registered to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student

Interesting...Obama has stuff to hide because he won't release his college transcripts. Romney is not worried about his taxes, despite that he won't release his tax returns. Once again, Phatscotty is a hypocrite.

[Woodruff]

Obama released 10 years of tax records willingly (Biden too), and his birth certificate after pressure from conservatives groups. He is being asked to release college transcripts.

Romney released one page of a tax return after pressure from liberal groups, and nothing else. Romney is being asked to released full tax returns.

I don't know how the two are even comparable.

SOROS!!!!!

[GreecePwns]

I'll ignore the Obama is a Marxist shit you just spewed without any sort of evidence like nearly all of your claims.

You asked for transcripts, not thesis papers.

[Woodruff]

What are you going to find in Obama's college transcript that will be of vital voting importance?

SOCIALISM!!!!!

[Ray Rider]

Why is it the government's job to even out all the money?

Aren't you the one whining about the rich paying "more than their fair share"?

Re-read his question, NS is wondering why the government is in charge of evening out the money.

Correct. While at the same time complaining about the rich paying "more than their fair share". In other words, he wants to complain that the government is making the rich pay more (well, the suggestion that the government MIGHT do so) while at the same time complaining that the government is in charge of evening out the money. To sum, he wants his cake and to be able to eat it too.

It's the same thing. He's saying that the government is trying to even out the money by taking more and more of the rich mans money. He doesn't like that.

If the government wasn't trying to even out the size of people's wallets, they wouldn't be always pushing for such a higher tax rate among the rich.

Ok, I think I've got you. I was confusing things. Well explained. Thanks.

+75 Saxbucks for admitting your error and moving on like a gentleman.

[patrickaa317]

And even if it were true, which I highly, highly doubt, how does that affect your vote?

He would not be eligible for a vote OR he would have committed fraud receiving the grants.

[Phatscotty]

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

What leads you to believe that is true? Just because you want to say it is?

Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so
Obama is the one with stuff to hide, and one thing he can hide no longer is that fact the he registered to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student

Interesting...Obama has stuff to hide because he won't release his college transcripts. Romney is not worried about his taxes, despite that he won't release his tax returns. Once again, Phatscotty is a hypocrite.

My taxes have nothing to do with it, and you greedy freaks mind your own damn business about everybody elses money! JESUS CHRIST MAN!!!!! You guys are obsessed with other people's money.

His tax returns are on the way. I'm sure you were expecting them on April 16th, but you will just have to wait, and at least let Romney chose his own damn timing about when he is going to release his own damn tax records. I'm sure that's asking too much....quite sure in fact.

But let's do an honesty check here with you Woodruff, since you are going to throw the word hypocrite around. Do you believe that there is a reason why Obama has his College Records SEALED? Do you have any ideas as to what that reason is? What are some of the possible reasons a person would take the action to SEAL their past?

[Woodruff]

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

What leads you to believe that is true? Just because you want to say it is?

Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so
Obama is the one with stuff to hide, and one thing he can hide no longer is that fact the he registered to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student

Interesting...Obama has stuff to hide because he won't release his college transcripts. Romney is not worried about his taxes, despite that he won't release his tax returns. Once again, Phatscotty is a hypocrite.

My taxes have nothing to do with it, and you greedy liberals mind your own damn business about everybody elses money! JESUS CHRIST MAN!!!!! You guys are obsessed with other people's money.

Why do you always resort to this kind of bullshit, you hypocrite?

His tax returns are on the way. I'm sure you were expecting them on April 16th, but you will just have to wait, and at least let Romney chose his own damn timing about when he is going to release his own damn tax records. I'm sure that's asking too much....quite sure in fact.

Again, why is it that you believe this is true? You failed, as per...well...every time...to answer the questions. Please do.

But let's do an honesty check here with you Woodruff. Do you believe that there is a reason why Obama has his College Records SEALED? Do you have any ideas as to what that reason is?

Are you ever going to answer my questions, or are you going to just continue this cowardly lapdance?

[BigBallinStalin]

And then you'd give me a -1 when I continue with:

"Due to the problems of central planning, which Public Choice illuminates, public policy must be shifted to alternatives such as the free market. The introduction of competition must be forced into the traditional monopolies of government (legal systems, welfare production, police, certification agencies like the FDA, etc.), and its state-mandated monopolies to specific businesses must be ended (which would include the state's monopoly of the legal system on patents).

The protection of patents is actually a specific task assigned to the federal government by the Constitution. Same with the general legal system.

Unfortunately, IIRC they never stated the required duration of a patent and for copyrights, and IIRC (again), even if they did, these durations have been lengthened and lengthened arguably by crony capitalist interests.

The current patent system is wretched. People create designs with the intention of finding honest designs that are somewhat similar, and if those designs become profitable, they sue them with their armies of lawyers. The competition and the entrepreneurs with less access to resources (legal, especially) are technically robbed or discouraged from participating in the patent system. Arguably, this loss in potential patents and inventions creates more costs than benefits. (It's an unseen cost).

Also, the inability for others to replicate patents and produce cheaper products prevents millions and perhaps billions of consumers from purchasing this cheaper yet very similar products. Of course, such products might not exist without a patent system, but this depends on (1) start-up costs, (2) perceived profit, (3) capability to maintain trade secrets.

(1) If the start-up costs are too high (i.e. young entrepreneur can't afford thousands of dollars to discover similar patents and to defend himself), then his invention may never be realized due to the current problems with patents.

(2) Perceived profit is the ultimate cause of registering an invention through the patent system (only in regard to the patent system, of course). Why does this matter? Take the internet for example. The start-up costs are practically zero monetarily, and if it's freeware/shareware, all you need is the technical knowledge. Why would anyone participate in developing and improving products that are freeware/shareware? For many reasons, but namely if you create something great, it's looks great on your resume, thus justifying higher future income for applying to a job, or creating your own company.

(3) Trade secrets are a substitute for the patent system in order to maintain one's monopoly on an invention. The patent system lowers the security costs of maintaining this monopoly, so the need for investing in trade secrecy is lowered. Why should the government subsidize this necessity--especially for wealthy corporations? Maybe patents should only apply to smaller corporations which can't afford the trade secrecy means? I'm not sure, but it's an issue worthy of exposure.

An interesting book about copyrights and patents is Remix: Making Art and Commerce Thrive in the Hybrid Economy by Lawrence Lessig. It's awesome.

So, in light of the above, I don't the think the Constitution was correct on patents--given the later unintended consequences and their costs from the patent system. And you maintain that the Constitution is correct, then that's okay, but I'd still argue for a reduction in the duration of all patents.

[BigBallinStalin]

Actually, his point was that its the same thing but with a negative sign in front.

Pretty much. Both the welfare recipients and the "tax avoiders" (which isn't entirely true) use similar means to receive more benefits. Since many within each group use the system to their advantage, then it seems to be contradictory for someone to partially blame those welfare recipients while leveling no blame against those who act like Romney.

I'd place all blame on the government for establishing those incentives for both groups of people. The government causes this systemic problem, yet its politicians and chief bureaucrats perform ineffectively in correcting this problem.

Not sure I have ever done this on a BBS post.

+1

And then you'd give me a -1 when I continue with:

"Due to the problems of central planning, which Public Choice illuminates, public policy must be shifted to alternatives such as the free market. The introduction of competition must be forced into the traditional monopolies of government (legal systems, welfare production, police, certification agencies like the FDA, etc.), and its state-mandated monopolies to specific businesses must be ended (which would include the state's monopoly of the legal system on patents).

I wouldn't give you a -1 for that. You must have me confused with someone else.

[BigBallinStalin]

Honestly, I would love to see Obama's college transcripts, and of course whatever else is required of Romney. If you're running for president, then all information that can be demonstrated as relevant to your history and capacity to be the Executive should be made transparent.

I want to know who they are, but not what they say they are.

[Phatscotty]

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

What leads you to believe that is true? Just because you want to say it is?

Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so
Obama is the one with stuff to hide, and one thing he can hide no longer is that fact the he registered to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student

Interesting...Obama has stuff to hide because he won't release his college transcripts. Romney is not worried about his taxes, despite that he won't release his tax returns. Once again, Phatscotty is a hypocrite.

My taxes have nothing to do with it, and you greedy liberals mind your own damn business about everybody elses money! JESUS CHRIST MAN!!!!! You guys are obsessed with other people's money.

Why do you always resort to this kind of bullshit, you hypocrite?

His tax returns are on the way. I'm sure you were expecting them on April 16th, but you will just have to wait, and at least let Romney chose his own damn timing about when he is going to release his own damn tax records. I'm sure that's asking too much....quite sure in fact.

Again, why is it that you believe this is true? You failed, as per...well...every time...to answer the questions. Please do.

But let's do an honesty check here with you Woodruff. Do you believe that there is a reason why Obama has his College Records SEALED? Do you have any ideas as to what that reason is?

Are you ever going to answer my questions, or are you going to just continue this cowardly lapdance?

what are you questions? Let me see "Do I believe what I say?" yes. "Why do I believe his is true?" Because I have seen it with my own eyes. Okay, I answered your questions, even though they have nothing to do with any of this and you are just a troll.

All I know that is true about this is that according to Mitt Romney's officialy website, there is a link already set yp for 2011 tax returns, right next to the 2010 tax returns that are available and which I have posted in another thread. Now, sure, he has not released 2011 yet, but....I think we would both agree that if he says on his website that he is going to release 2011, and then does not, he is not going to win the election, so I will officially say I expect him to keep his word that he will release 2011 tax returns.

Why you are calling this bullshit when it's clear you are just unaware is a pretty bold move. Do you always put yourself out on limbs not having a clue wtf you are even talking about? Because it seems like a habit for you.

[Woodruff]

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

What leads you to believe that is true? Just because you want to say it is?

Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so
Obama is the one with stuff to hide, and one thing he can hide no longer is that fact the he registered to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student

Interesting...Obama has stuff to hide because he won't release his college transcripts. Romney is not worried about his taxes, despite that he won't release his tax returns. Once again, Phatscotty is a hypocrite.

My taxes have nothing to do with it, and you greedy liberals mind your own damn business about everybody elses money! JESUS CHRIST MAN!!!!! You guys are obsessed with other people's money.

Why do you always resort to this kind of bullshit, you hypocrite?

His tax returns are on the way. I'm sure you were expecting them on April 16th, but you will just have to wait, and at least let Romney chose his own damn timing about when he is going to release his own damn tax records. I'm sure that's asking too much....quite sure in fact.

Again, why is it that you believe this is true? You failed, as per...well...every time...to answer the questions. Please do.

But let's do an honesty check here with you Woodruff. Do you believe that there is a reason why Obama has his College Records SEALED? Do you have any ideas as to what that reason is?

Are you ever going to answer my questions, or are you going to just continue this cowardly lapdance?

what are you questions? Let me see "Do I believe what I say?" yes. "Why do I believe his is true?" Because I have seen it with my own eyes.

This is typical of your bullshit answers. Your answer to the question of "What leads you to believe it is true that Romney will release everything he has over his entire life once Obama releases his college transcripts?" is "Because I have seen it with my own eyes"?

First of all, since neither Obama nor Romney has done any such thing, there is no possible way for you to have seen it with your own eyes. Secondly...well, there's no need for a second point, because your first point is such utter horseshit.

Okay, I answered your questions, even though they have nothing to do with any of this and you are just a troll.

You didn't answer a damn thing. All you did was try to obfuscate, and you did a damn shitty job of that.

All I know that is true about this is that according to Mitt Romney's officialy website, there is a link already set yp for 2011 tax returns, right next to the 2010 tax returns that are available and which I have posted in another thread. Now, sure, he has not released 2011 yet, but....I think we would both agree that if he says on his website that he is going to release 2011, and then does not, he is not going to win the election, so I will officially say I expect him to keep his word that he will release 2011 tax returns.

Well, there's a small part of the question. What about the rest?

Why you are calling this bullshit when it's clear you are just unaware is a pretty bold move. Do you always put yourself out on limbs not having a clue wtf you are even talking about? Because it seems like a habit for you.

No Phatscotty, I leave that work to you.

[Phatscotty]

Romney says his 2011's are going to be released soon. I believe him

Obama is a Marxist

[Night Strike]

And then you'd give me a -1 when I continue with:

"Due to the problems of central planning, which Public Choice illuminates, public policy must be shifted to alternatives such as the free market. The introduction of competition must be forced into the traditional monopolies of government (legal systems, welfare production, police, certification agencies like the FDA, etc.), and its state-mandated monopolies to specific businesses must be ended (which would include the state's monopoly of the legal system on patents).

The protection of patents is actually a specific task assigned to the federal government by the Constitution. Same with the general legal system.

Except private companies have long since subverted the patent system.

Only because the government has allowed big corporations to patent things long after they had become commonplace (or are basic components of an industry). See, all these issues you always try to claim are corporations doing bad are basically always tied back to the government playing favorites and getting involved in the private market. Government enables monopolies and other such private market abuses by making the barriers of entry for small businesses impossibly high.

To BBS's patent post (no reason to quote it here): I agree that there are massive patent reforms that are needed. I've been somewhat following the Apple v Samsung patent trial regarding how Apple basically patents everything related to mobile technology and sues anyone who they view as competition. There needs to be major reforms and the government needs to stop arbitrarily changing lengths of patents (and trademarks) simply to benefit major corporations. Heck, radio stations can't even play the traditional "Happy Birthday" song without paying royalties because it is lumped into a time-frame of trademarks whose protections keep getting automatically extended by Congress simply because Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse trademarks were from that time period (and they have to extend all the trademarks from that time to "appear" to not be specifically extending one single trademark).

All Obama has to do is release his college records, and Romney will release everything he has over his entire life.

It's not like Romney's tax records are "sealed" like Obama's college records are "sealed". That means Obama made the decision to make sure nobody can see his transcript. Is Romney that worried about his taxes? I don't think so

See, I don't even understand how stuff like this is possible. At my school, we have to provide a copy of our thesis directly to the library to be available to check-out by the public and other students. Did schools not used to do this? Did Obama get special treatment to keep his hidden? I understand why the transcripts are private, but that obviously didn't stop someone from breaking the law when it came to Bush's records.

[BigBallinStalin]

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Again, more dickishness on behalf of the PhatLooter.

Romney says his 2011's are going to be released soon. I believe him

Obama is a Marxist

Oh-ho! troll harder

[BigBallinStalin]

To BBS's patent post (no reason to quote it here): I agree that there are massive patent reforms that are needed. I've been somewhat following the Apple v Samsung patent trial regarding how Apple basically patents everything related to mobile technology and sues anyone who they view as competition. There needs to be major reforms and the government needs to stop arbitrarily changing lengths of patents (and trademarks) simply to benefit major corporations. Heck, radio stations can't even play the traditional "Happy Birthday" song without paying royalties because it is lumped into a time-frame of trademarks whose protections keep getting automatically extended by Congress simply because Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse trademarks were from that time period (and they have to extend all the trademarks from that time to "appear" to not be specifically extending one single trademark).

Word. If you got time, and if you find this stuff really interesting, check out that book, Remix: Making Art and Commerce Thrive in the Hybrid Economy