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BigBallinStalin wrote:The OP is about regulation, so I'm not sure how this is relevant. Hopefully, we can still distinguish between regulation and taxation.
from the article wrote:Advocates of the soda tax hope that increasing the cost of sugary beverages to put them on par with healthier, more expensive options will entice more people to make better choices when it comes to quenching their thirsts.
from the article wrote:efforts to impose similar taxes have become increasingly common in recent years as politicians around the country look for ways to combat the country's growing obesity epidemic. Legislators in seven other states, including Vermont and Texas, have introduced bills that would tax sugary drinks this session alone.
ooge wrote:so I post relevant questions about regulation,ex. deregulating the trucking Industry and you respond with the Soviet Union Reference.I see I should have instead responded with are you a Nazi? because that is how idiotic and intellectually dishonest it is to respond with "soviet Union" I shall not waste anymore time with you.
patches70 wrote:Granted, the only legitimate use of taxation is to raise revenue, but we don't do that anymore do we? We use taxation to regulate behavior.
Want people to quit smoking? Create cigarette taxes to make smoking more expensive. People are too fat? Impose a soda tax. The reverse is true as well. Want people to have children? Grant a tax break. Wealth distribution is out of kilter? Tax the wealthy and redistribute the wealth. In the end, or the point we've reached today, is that you get a tax code that in and of itself is a regulation nightmare. Our tax code is a form of regulation. It regulates behavior and social experiments. Taxes are no longer just for raising revenue, they are now used to get you to do or not to do something. And as a final line of control as well.
BigBallinStalin wrote:I'm not sure what this thread has morphed into, but I'll say this:
meta-category: Governmental Control
subcategories: taxation, regulation, deficit spending + expansionary monetary policy, etc.
BigBallinStalin wrote:ooge wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:ooge wrote:regulation..glass /spegal why was it put into law? when was it repealed? what were the consequences of the repealing of this regulation? Arline industry when was it deregulated? by whom? what have been the consequences of this deregulation?State of California and energy deregulation,what were the consequences of the deregulation.Trucking industry? one can go on and on about how government has deregulated over regulated the past forty years.
Huh? What? Who? When? Where? Why? How?
(The underlined were very beneficial examples of deregulation/privatization).
care to elaborate on why deregulation was beneficial to the underlined?
How much are you willing to read?
And, as a thought experiment, what happens when the Soviet Union nationalizes an industry?
Baron Von PWN wrote:
A glorious victory for socialism.
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more serious example.
When the soviets collectivized agriculture. Gross agricultural production decreased significantly (10-20% if I recall correctly)
However state collection of grain shot up , and resultant state income from grain sales also increased. This allowed the Soviets to launch their massive industrialization drive.
Baron Von PWN wrote:Not sure how nationalization plays into regulations though, a regulated industry is still in private ownership just restricted in what they can do, while a nationalized industry is entirely under state management and control.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:
A glorious victory for socialism.
_______________________--
more serious example.
When the soviets collectivized agriculture. Gross agricultural production decreased significantly (10-20% if I recall correctly)
However state collection of grain shot up , and resultant state income from grain sales also increased. This allowed the Soviets to launch their massive industrialization drive.
The Soviet economists and accountants told ya so, amirite?
BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:Not sure how nationalization plays into regulations though, a regulated industry is still in private ownership just restricted in what they can do, while a nationalized industry is entirely under state management and control.
Although National Socialism was a regulated economy (similar to the US during the 1930s/1940s in price controls, work hours, quotas, etc.), it's better to use the Soviet Union as an example because people think too emotionally about these issues.
Baron Von PWN wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:Not sure how nationalization plays into regulations though, a regulated industry is still in private ownership just restricted in what they can do, while a nationalized industry is entirely under state management and control.
Although National Socialism was a regulated economy (similar to the US during the 1930s/1940s in price controls, work hours, quotas, etc.), it's better to use the Soviet Union as an example because people think too emotionally about these issues.
When speaking of economic regulation the Soviet Union doesn't make much sense to use as an example. The vast majority of enterprises were state run, not regulated( they had regulations yes but quotas overruled the regulations).
IF you want to discuss the impact of state run enterprises and central planing by all means use the Soviet union as an example. For state regulation of enterprises in market economies? the USSR is a pretty useless example.
Baron Von PWN wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:
A glorious victory for socialism.
_______________________--
more serious example.
When the soviets collectivized agriculture. Gross agricultural production decreased significantly (10-20% if I recall correctly)
However state collection of grain shot up , and resultant state income from grain sales also increased. This allowed the Soviets to launch their massive industrialization drive.
The Soviet economists and accountants told ya so, amirite?
Actually that is pretty much the consensus on what happened as a result of collectivizing agriculture. State collection of grain and produce increased significantly. Gross food production dropped significantly. The Soviet government used the increase in grain and foodstuff collection to export and generate capital for industrialization.
This was also the primary cause of the famine in Ukraine, as the Soviets were exporting grain rather than feeding Ukrainian peasants.
Baron Von PWN wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:Not sure how nationalization plays into regulations though, a regulated industry is still in private ownership just restricted in what they can do, while a nationalized industry is entirely under state management and control.
Although National Socialism was a regulated economy (similar to the US during the 1930s/1940s in price controls, work hours, quotas, etc.), it's better to use the Soviet Union as an example because people think too emotionally about these issues.
When speaking of economic regulation the Soviet Union doesn't make much sense to use as an example. The vast majority of enterprises were state run, not regulated( they had regulations yes but quotas overruled the regulations).
IF you want to discuss the impact of state run enterprises and central planing by all means use the Soviet union as an example. For state regulation of enterprises in market economies? the USSR is a pretty useless example.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Baron Von PWN wrote:
A glorious victory for socialism.
_______________________--
more serious example.
When the soviets collectivized agriculture. Gross agricultural production decreased significantly (10-20% if I recall correctly)
However state collection of grain shot up , and resultant state income from grain sales also increased. This allowed the Soviets to launch their massive industrialization drive.
The Soviet economists and accountants told ya so, amirite?
Actually that is pretty much the consensus on what happened as a result of collectivizing agriculture. State collection of grain and produce increased significantly. Gross food production dropped significantly. The Soviet government used the increase in grain and foodstuff collection to export and generate capital for industrialization.
This was also the primary cause of the famine in Ukraine, as the Soviets were exporting grain rather than feeding Ukrainian peasants.
That's interesting. Here's my favorite story about Paul Samuelson and his macroeconomics textbooks throughout the 1950s and 1960s and 70s, etc. In the front cover page, there's a graph projecting the Soviet Union's growth (in GDP), which would surpass the US in 10 years. Then every 10 years, it never happened because the projection was false--based on either Samuelson's nonsense or on Soviet data, but he kept having the same graph shown.
Lootifer wrote:My favourite bit about communist russia was when they effectively drained one of the largest lakes in the world! GO RUSSIA!
Lootifer wrote:Yeah, shit is messed up!
Baron Von PWN wrote:Lootifer wrote:Yeah, shit is messed up!
My favourite Soviet anecdote is that Krushchev considered re-routing rivers through the use of nuclear bombs.
Nobunaga wrote:Check this out.
European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds ... ation.html
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(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:Nobunaga wrote:Check this out.
European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds ... ation.html
so now agriculture, the fucking FOUNDATION OF CIVILIZATION ITSELF, is going to become illegal.
f*ck the EU and f*ck all the morons here in the US who want us to be anything like them.
i honestly wonder if people are right when they say that modern liberalism is a mental disorder.
BigBallinStalin wrote:john9blue wrote:Nobunaga wrote:Check this out.
European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds ... ation.html
so now agriculture, the fucking FOUNDATION OF CIVILIZATION ITSELF, is going to become illegal.
f*ck the EU and f*ck all the morons here in the US who want us to be anything like them.
i honestly wonder if people are right when they say that modern liberalism is a mental disorder.
It certainly leads to it.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:john9blue wrote:Nobunaga wrote:Check this out.
European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds ... ation.html
so now agriculture, the fucking FOUNDATION OF CIVILIZATION ITSELF, is going to become illegal.
f*ck the EU and f*ck all the morons here in the US who want us to be anything like them.
i honestly wonder if people are right when they say that modern liberalism is a mental disorder.
It certainly leads to it.
I'm pretty sure the bigger mental disorder is the human desire to label one's opponents as sub-human, mentally ill or just plain evil.
"Moden Liberalism" may have lead to some shitty crony capitalist laws, but that other thing has lead to the biggest genocides and mass murders in human history, so y'know.
john9blue wrote:Nobunaga wrote:Check this out.
European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds ... ation.html
so now agriculture, the fucking FOUNDATION OF CIVILIZATION ITSELF, is going to become illegal.
f*ck the EU and f*ck all the morons here in the US who want us to be anything like them.
i honestly wonder if people are right when they say that (modern) liberalism is a mental disorder.
BigBallinStalin wrote:I agree, but are there only two options: "modern liberalism" and "genocide"?
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