Times when you were wrong on the internet

[Fircoal]

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[Army of GOD]

don't think i've ever seen an american admit that the US did not win ww2. +1 internets to you, sir.

Because we lost it, right?

[hairy potter]

don't think i've ever seen an american admit that the US did not win ww2. +1 internets to you, sir.

Because we lost it, right?

well, the nazis parading down 43rd street was a bit of a clue

[Juan_Bottom]

(Juan_Bottom: Your bit about the USSR and Germany is arguable and not fact).

I used to think that way until I read "the Third Reich at War" by Richard J. Evans. He is Regius Professor of Modern History at Cambridge University. But! by the time of the German defeat before Moscow, a lot of educated Germans knew they were in serious trouble.
1942 - leading Germans (economists and Nazi Party members) had their doubts about any kind of victory, but were afraid to say anything about it for fear of execution. They knew that they couldn't replace men or material fast enough. Indeed, the numbers on paper are impressive. 2/3rds of the German military were fighting on the Eastern front from 1942 onwards. Even after the Normandy landings... yet the Soviets kept advancing. I am aware that Stalin was asking for a second front to be opened up, and we American's obliged him, but I don't think that the Soviets had to have that happen to win the war.

I already new all of this, but I had never seen it from the German's point of view. To the smart ones, it was the beginning of Armageddon.

[Juan_Bottom]

don't think i've ever seen an american admit that the US did not win ww2. +1 internets to you, sir.

MY FIRST INTERNET!

[2dimes]

Here's a link to a partial list.

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[BigBallinStalin]

(Juan_Bottom: Your bit about the USSR and Germany is arguable and not fact).

I used to think that way until I read "the Third Reich at War" by Richard J. Evans. He is Regius Professor of Modern History at Cambridge University. But! by the time of the German defeat before Moscow, a lot of educated Germans knew they were in serious trouble.
1942 - leading Germans (economists and Nazi Party members) had their doubts about any kind of victory, but were afraid to say anything about it for fear of execution. They knew that they couldn't replace men or material fast enough. Indeed, the numbers on paper are impressive. 2/3rds of the German military were fighting on the Eastern front from 1942 onwards. Even after the Normandy landings... yet the Soviets kept advancing. I am aware that Stalin was asking for a second front to be opened up, and we American's obliged him, but I don't think that the Soviets had to have that happen to win the war.

I already new all of this, but I had never seen it from the German's point of view. To the smart ones, it was the beginning of Armageddon.

It was bad from their point of view because they also had to plan for and deal with the Allies in the West. To say that the USSR would've defeated them on their own isn't really supported by what you posted just now. It depends on how much that author marginalized the Allies' direct and indirect influences on German planning and allocation of resources in 1942 and onwards. Also, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by having one's doubts, but Hitler had his doubts that the world would comply when he took back the Rhineland. It worked out.

As for the supply and logistical issues, yes the Germans faced plenty, but with more men on the field, they could've imprisoned/captured more Russian armies and taken more lands at a quicker pace, thus decreasing the problems of extending the war against the Russians.

The argument could be made that had the Allies' been somehow out of the entire picture (as posed in your statement), then the Germans could have dedicated nearly everything to invading the USSR, which at certain points was close to losing crucial areas--even 2/3 of their forces involved. If the Germans had that extra 30% from the beginning of the operation, I would surmise that they could've pushed the Russians past their industrially concentrated areas, past the Ural mountains, and force the Russians into leading an army incapable of supplying itself. They'd opt for a treaty, or continue at it and be starved militarily.

And if the Allies posed no problems, then the Japanese would've been more inclined to fighting the USSR, which would greatly decrease their chances of winning a war against the Axis without any Allied influence.

Conclusion: Honestly, with the limited knowledge we possess, who knows? It's just fun to talk about, but I'm wary of anyone who states that it the USSR likely could have done it on their own. It's unlikely of them to do so.

[Juan_Bottom]

Ah, I meant that the USSR was who won WWII. The European Allies didn't really need the U.S. involved militarily to get it done. The English would have never given in, and the Russians were full of blood lust.

It was bad from their point of view because they also had to plan for and deal with the Allies in the West.

What I was specifically talking about, was that many realized that Russia and England could produce more men and materials than they could. Abert Speer, the Nazi's Minister of Armaments and War production, said that in 1942 he knew the war was lost on economic terms, because Germany could never out produce it's enemies.
Later on, this line of understanding lead to some German's attempted assasination of Hitler; "Operation Valkerie."

[hairy potter]

i didn't actually write it anywhere (until now), but the last time i was wrong on the internet was when i thought to myself: 'juan definitely did not even slightly think that his ww2 comment would be controversial'

[Juan_Bottom]

i didn't actually write it anywhere (until now), but the last time i was wrong on the internet was when i thought to myself: 'juan definitely did not even slightly think that his ww2 comment would be controversial'

Got you hairy!
Everything I admitted to being wrong about was controversial!

9/11 was not an inside job. But I don't blame myself for coming to that conclusion in the wake of disinformation and lying by the 9-11 commission.

I argued with everyone about this. EVERYONE, and now I took it all back.

I was Lutheran once. Now I am an Atheist.

Note that I didn't say which is wrong, leaving myself open for bashing.

Virginia did not try to keep college kids from voting by forcing them to get absentee ballots. I didn't understand how absentee ballots were supposed to work. (I remember and thank Player for being nice to me and explaining 'em after she tore my argument apart. Lot's of people here would have rubbed my face in it but she was kind and simply educated me. PERMANENT RESPECT.)

Not only did I thank Player, I said that I respect her. That's high treason to some.

The Soviet Union likely would have defeated the Germans on their own, without US aid. The US did not win WWII.

Ok, I admit though that this one worked faster than I though it would though.

[hairy potter]

i like your style

i reckon everyone who defended owenshooter should also post in this thread. about how wrong they were to defend him and his puerile avatar.

[ViperOverLord]

(If I'm completely wrong on something, and someone proves it, then I'll own up to it, instead of ignoring that person's posts, or going off-topic.

Hmmmm. This gives me pause. But I'll ponder it as I think about a serious ass.

(Juan_Bottom: Your bit about the USSR and Germany is arguable and not fact).

Actually something doesn't have to be fact or fiction for someone to admit they are wrong from their viewpoint.

[tkr4lf]

Uhhhh, I started a thread called "f*ck Jesus" and proceeded to say the phrase about 20 times, while cursing a certain player, the mods of this site, and, of course, Jesus. I guess that was pretty wrong of me.

[PLAYER57832]

Reading through that first thread made me realize that my first admission had to be that my patience and tolerance has sunk.. GREATLY. Partly, its reading and seeing the same arguments over and over. Partly, it does seem that fewer and fewer people, not just here, but in general, even care about or understand evidence (of any type.. not just talking science, here). Partly, it seems that fewer and fewer folks who are not ardent conservatives persist (some, for sure, but fewer than when I first came, fewer now than when the whole BES/Fireside and then Dancing Mustard [et al] bits hit. [almost left then] Mostly, it has to do with stuff utterly irrelevant to CC. But, I cannot change anyone else, I am not in control of anyone else.. only myself.
So, in general, I have become the intolerant, beligerant poster I fought against for a long time. I am not going to change my ideas, but I will try to be less beligerent.

Regarding specifics: I cannot possibly remember, never mind list all my errors, but here are some big, recent ones:

Claiming I paid more than [] in social security a year. I misstated, meant to say I had paid more overall, having paid more years. Explained more fully , apologized, in the pertinent thread.

Woodruff -- I cannot even remember what the issue or reason was, but I wound up accusing him of saying pretty much the opposite of what he said. I admitted and posted a clarification in the pertinent thread (one of the oil spill ones, I believe).

Same thing with several other people. I need to take more time to read, answer fewer threads and think more when I do.

Oh, yes.. and I really do have to pay more attention to quotes . (but I think I am doing better on that.. )

[jonesthecurl]

I was wrong about that Monty Haul thing.
Thanks for reminding me about that.
I was wrong in widescreen and technicolour.

[PLAYER57832]

I was Lutheran once. Now I am an Atheist.

Note that I didn't say which is wrong, leaving myself open for bashing.[/quote]
Somehow, I think you expect me to respond to this .
By the time we truly know if we are correct or wrong in this, it will be too late to debate it. So, we each do the best we can.

PERMANENT RESPECT.)

Thank you. Not sure I deserve that of late, and I thank you even more for reminding me of that.

[mviola]

Hmmmm. This gives me pause. But I'll ponder it as I think about a serious ass.

You mean yourself? You've been wrong just a few times on this site. You should have a pretty decently sized list.

[targetman377]

they would not have been able to defeat German by themselves

[Juan_Bottom]

they would not have been able to defeat German by themselves

Oh, my mistake. Clearly I cannot refute this freight-train of logic which has just run wild on my points, and my understanding of what the German war czar thought based on his complete domination of German war production.

[tzor]

Of course I've been wrong on the Internet; I just can't think of any examples off hand.

[Woodruff]

I once unintentionally (I swear!) misspelled Kotaro's name in a thread...in a particularly unpleasant way: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=76474&hilit=mistake+wrong+error+typo&start=15

I once confused a thegreekdog post as being from xelabale. For those of you who know xelabale, you know that's quite a mistake to make.

I once confused an AAFitz post as being from captain.crazy. Picture that one...

One time b.k. barunt made a...I'll call it a questionable post, to be kind...and received a ban for it. There was some rancor among others about the ban, and I made the statement that I thought that b.k. would even admit his post deserved the ban once he returned. I was wrong.

I once asked the question about what the acronyms CE and BCE referred to (being more familiar with BC and AD myself) and made the comment that I thought I would probably recognize the terms once someone pointed them out to me. I was wrong.

I mistakenly discussed polygamy once when I should have used the term polyandry.

I once got a very sneaky math problem wrong.

One time I made the mistake of thinking that a game was not an online game, but it was due to a multiplayer functionality that it had.

I once confused the price of an annual subscription to Landgrab.

I once typed "One Toy Soldier" instead of "One Tin Soldier" in referring to the song by that name.

I once made the mistake of thinking that someone asking for the conservative we appreciated the most was meant regarding forum-residents only, when it was not.

I stated several times within the same thread that my operating system was Win95 when it was actually XP at the time.

[saxitoxin]

I stated several times within the same thread that my operating system was Win95 when it was actually XP at the time.

LMAO! Verily, this was the most classic error on this site as it caused such befuddlement and shocked confusion among the regulars hearing you errantely describing the software that would run only on Win95! I'm not as technical as some here but even that caused me a smiley.

[muy_thaiguy]

I was wrong to think that dial-up internet was the be-all end-all to the internet. Boy was I ever wrong!

I once thought that FLame Wars would remain a part off CC forever. Well, that did not turn out how I expected.

I once thought that the bright colors of this new phb format when CC switched to it would kill my eyes. Actually, it still does.

I thought that certain members would always remain on CC (DM, wicked, Norse). Obviously, I was majorly wrong on that one.

I thought that the internet was only for porn. Actually, I'm only half wrong on that. The other half is for CC.

[BigBallinStalin]

Hmmmm. This gives me pause. But I'll ponder it as I think about a serious ass.

You mean yourself? You've been wrong just a few times on this site. You should have a pretty decently sized list.

I would be shocked to see that happen.

[Juan_Bottom]

I thought that the internet was only for porn. Actually, I'm only half wrong on that. The other half is for CC.

lol





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