Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[thegreekdog]

I made a funny and you guys didn't pick up on it (Baldur's Gate quote).

Look dudes, I'm all for pointing out inconsistencies in media coverage; I'm just also pointing out Drudge's inconsistentices. I agree that the media sensationalized this and now there's all this ridiculous violence that is completely misguided (as if violence is not misguided of its own accord). But Drudge's insistence on not letting this go is annoying. I want more politics and more sharks.

It's more than ridiculous. It's deadly serious. But why don't you send Drudge a letter, telling him not to report on hate crimes anymore. That way we don't have to be bothered with what is going on around us until something bad happens to someone in our family or someone we know.

Symmetry? Natty? Is that you?

C'mon PS. I said it 50 pages ago in this thread and I'll say it again - This shit happens all the time. No one reports on it. In six months Drudge won't report on it either. He's reporting on it now to advance his own agenda; same as the original media morons. Either he needs to report on this all the time (all violent, hate-related crimes, not just the black-on-white crime) or he needs to knock it the f*ck off.

Difference between Drudge and the original media morons: only the former is posting true narratives.

Yes, that is true. I still haven't heard any media member apologize or even acknowledge that he or she used the wrong racial term to describe Zimmerman.

[thegreekdog]

@TGD

Maybe it's what many of consumers of The Drudge demand? If they keep clicking on these types of stories, then the Drudge has a stronger incentive to keep promoting those kinds of stories.

Eventually, the consumers of race-related stories will get winded, and the sharks and politics will marginally increase in supply.

Oh, that is absolutely true. I'm hoping it happens sooner rather than later.

[Phatscotty]

It's more than ridiculous. It's deadly serious. But why don't you send Drudge a letter, telling him not to report on hate crimes anymore. That way we don't have to be bothered with what is going on around us until something bad happens to someone in our family or someone we know.

Symmetry? Natty? Is that you?

C'mon PS. I said it 50 pages ago in this thread and I'll say it again - This shit happens all the time. No one reports on it. In six months Drudge won't report on it either. He's reporting on it now to advance his own agenda; same as the original media morons. Either he needs to report on this all the time (all violent, hate-related crimes, not just the black-on-white crime) or he needs to knock it the f*ck off.

Difference between Drudge and the original media morons: only the former is posting true narratives.

Yes, that is true. I still haven't heard any media member apologize or even acknowledge that he or she used the wrong racial term to describe Zimmerman.

They could apologize for fanning the imagined "F'n C#&n" comment that they propagated as well....

They played it over and over again, and again, and again.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNtbknt2VhE&t=4m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOt1wEDy0SI&t=0m43s

[Symmetry]

I'm not sure the protesters were defined by race, except by a few right wingers who felt that the protests would erupt into racial violence. Pretty sure people of all races were kind of appalled.

Then you didn't pay attention to what was happening. When the national news opens the story by claiming Zimmerman is white, of course they were trying to promote a racial agenda. People were protesting because they were convinced that a black kid was killed by a white man, and were seeking racial justice. And the people that are now committing violent crimes are doing so against white people because they think Trayvon was killed for being black.

You say the sweetest things. Perhaps Beck is right in exposing the murderous empire of this dead child. I've sat through a fair number of your videos in the past. Almost always the same intrepid investigator, Glenn Beck. A more rational man than I might suggest that your constant referral to a single, fairly unreliable, source, might be a sign that you're not greatly open-minded in your choice of reportage.

However, I can accept the criticism that I'm closed-minded on Mr Beck. After all, even a broken clock weeps correctly twice a day, right?

Just don't demand I watch 25 minutes of the dude in the hope he gets it right at some point.

I didn't know linking to local news stories and sharing them on a national level amounted to Beck being wrong about the stories and making them up. In fact, isn't that the same thing the other people in the media did when they made the Samford, Florida case into a national story? Why aren't those other media people doing follow-ups on how there are several stories showing black people mobbing white people as "Justice for Trayvon"?

By the way, a group last year published a study on Beck's claims/predictions and found that he was correct about 93% of the time. Maybe you should listen to what he says and then investigate it for yourself before assuming he is wrong.

I'd rather go my own way, reading news from a variety of international sources, and kind of ignore the Beck "Tears of a Clown" show. Sorry, I'm not going to sit through another 25 minutes of Beck on a Scotty link anymore. He's the fox who cried Beck at this point. Post the relevant bits, and I'll look.

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

By the way, the links in your post don't work. I can't track down the sources.

[Phatscotty]

It's F'n Cold!

[Night Strike]

I'd rather go my own way, reading news from a variety of international sources, and kind of ignore the Beck "Tears of a Clown" show. Sorry, I'm not going to sit through another 25 minutes of Beck on a Scotty link anymore. He's the fox who cried Beck at this point. Post the relevant bits, and I'll look.

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

By the way, the links in your post don't work. I can't track down the sources.

I don't watch the youtube videos either, but I'm guessing the relevant bits were the links Phatscotty and I already posted. And the links I posted on Page 48 all work. I haven't posted any links since.

[BigBallinStalin]

They could apologize for fanning the imagined "F'n C#&n" comment that they propagated as well....

They played it over and over again, and again, and again.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNtbknt2VhE&t=4m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOt1wEDy0SI&t=0m43s

haha, wow. This is interesting, but unrelated to the OP:

From wiki's article on Nancy Grace,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Du ... da_Duckett

[Phatscotty]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

All you are saying is you won't spend a half hour on the information, but you will spend hundreds of hours having an information-less opinion.

[Symmetry]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

All you are saying is you won't spend a half hour on the information, but you will spend hundreds of hours having an information-less opinion.

I'm about 95% sure that's not what I'm saying, but I'll allow this-

please, go on...

[Phatscotty]

They could apologize for fanning the imagined "F'n C#&n" comment that they propagated as well....

They played it over and over again, and again, and again.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNtbknt2VhE&t=4m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOt1wEDy0SI&t=0m43s

haha, wow. This is interesting,

You have no idea...

I can't find the one where they drop the "F'n" and just let it roll "C#%N, C#%N, C#%N...." Probably about 30 times. It was at the end of the first original segment of the second clip, but the one I shared was merged into a much later re-analysis (after the bullshit dividing story was firmly in place and the hate storm was rolling in... ), where it was revealed once and for all to be "cold".

[Phatscotty]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

All you are saying is you won't spend a half hour on the information, but you will spend hundreds of hours having an information-less opinion.

I'm about 95% sure that's not what I'm saying, but I'll allow this-

please, go on...

If I give you a post with a video or a quote with a source, it's usually because it's a piece of evidence that either contradicts or bolsters a previous claim, and is directly related to the discussion at hand. If you ignore it, it's like not even reading what I said, not to mention you won't get any of the context. Then, you could at that time either agree or disagree with the information or take it in as new information. For you, in the future I can time-stamp them better.

However, this clip I have posted and you are railing about is just a list of the recent hates crime along with some information about them. Maybe you can get most of the information just by watching the first opening minutes. As a Bonus, opening minutes basically cover the 4 separate hate crime links I posted along with the video. The video does us a favor, as it's easier to watch one video than it is to click and read 4 stories.

Try again?

[Symmetry]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

All you are saying is you won't spend a half hour on the information, but you will spend hundreds of hours having an information-less opinion.

I'm about 95% sure that's not what I'm saying, but I'll allow this-

please, go on...

If I give you a post with a video or a quote with a source, it's usually because it's a piece of evidence that either contradicts or bolsters a previous claim, and is directly related to the discussion at hand. If you ignore it, it's like not even reading what I said, not to mention you won't get any of the context. Then, you could at that time either agree or disagree with the information or take it in as new information. For you, in the future I can time-stamp them better.

However, this clip I have posted and you are railing about is just a list of the recent hates crime along with some information about them. Maybe you can get most of the information just by watching the first 4 minutes. As a Bonus, the first 4 minutes basically cover the 4 separate hate crime links I posted along with the video. The video does us a favor, as it's easier to watch one video than it is to click and read 4 stories.

Try again?

The thing is, I did watch the first 5 minutes of that video, cause I still have a degree of faith that you'll post relevant stuff and not just dump a half hour video on a poster without reference to what they should be looking for, where the video becomes relevant to the point your making, and fair warning that Glenn Beck is going to be in it.

That last point was a joke, Scotty, but you can't dump a 25 minute video on people and expect them to work out your point, then complain that when someone calls you out on it. You're not a newbie poster. You can put a good post together.

When you do stuff like this, it looks like you know how to put a bad post together and then spend a few posts defending that terrible post.

[Phatscotty]

That's your opinion. I think it was a highly informative post, and many people who did not know what has been happening recently are now more informed.

[Symmetry]

That's your opinion. I think it was a highly informative post, and many people who did not know what has been happening recently are now more informed.

More informed than what?

[BigBallinStalin]

That's your opinion. I think it was a highly informative post, and many people who did not know what has been happening recently are now more informed.

More informed than what?

Your anus, from which you speaketh.

HAR HAR HAR!

[Symmetry]

That's your opinion. I think it was a highly informative post, and many people who did not know what has been happening recently are now more informed.

More informed than what?

Your anus, from which you speaketh.

HAR HAR HAR!

Clever.

[Phatscotty]

WOW!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 8H20120425

(Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.

By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.

On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.

During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.

But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.

Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."





George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.

YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT

On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.

"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."

In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.



By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.

At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.

On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.

"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."

In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.

"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"

Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.

"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.

Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.

Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

[Phatscotty]

That's your opinion. I think it was a highly informative post, and many people who did not know what has been happening recently are now more informed.

More informed than what?

people who have seen the post are more knowledgeable about the information than people who have not seen the post....

scientia potentia est

[Phatscotty]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go for the idea that if I don't spend a half hour on one of Scotty's posts, then I somehow don't understand it.

All you are saying is you won't spend a half hour on the information, but you will spend hundreds of hours having an information-less opinion.

I'm about 95% sure that's not what I'm saying, but I'll allow this-

please, go on...

If I give you a post with a video or a quote with a source, it's usually because it's a piece of evidence that either contradicts or bolsters a previous claim, and is directly related to the discussion at hand. If you ignore it, it's like not even reading what I said, not to mention you won't get any of the context. Then, you could at that time either agree or disagree with the information or take it in as new information. For you, in the future I can time-stamp them better.

However, this clip I have posted and you are railing about is just a list of the recent hates crime along with some information about them. Maybe you can get most of the information just by watching the first 4 minutes. As a Bonus, the first 4 minutes basically cover the 4 separate hate crime links I posted along with the video. The video does us a favor, as it's easier to watch one video than it is to click and read 4 stories.

Try again?

The thing is, I did watch the first 5 minutes of that video, cause I still have a degree of faith that you'll post relevant stuff and not just dump a half hour video on a poster without reference to what they should be looking for, where the video becomes relevant to the point your making, and fair warning that Glenn Beck is going to be in it.

That last point was a joke, Scotty, but you can't dump a 25 minute video on people and expect them to work out your point, then complain that when someone calls you out on it. You're not a newbie poster. You can put a good post together.

When you do stuff like this, it looks like you know how to put a bad post together and then spend a few posts defending that terrible post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOSyr5VZK3g&t=13m30s 13:30-17:00

[Symmetry]

Post a normal post! that was ridiculous. I'm just asking you to post something comprehensible.

[Phatscotty]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

[Symmetry]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

[Phatscotty]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

Nice attitude. Your commitment to compassion and your efforts to make the world a better place are firing on all cylinders. Sometimes you just care too much.

[Symmetry]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

Nice attitude. Your commitment to compassion and your efforts to make the world a better place are firing on all cylinders.

I work on a case by case basis, and you are quite a case.

[Phatscotty]

All your talk tonight, you have managed to avoid a single word of what the posts were actually about. You can only talk about what the source, who is saying it, and why you don't want any of the information. That is quite a feat.

It's a dodge thing I'm sure