Discussion: Does Yahweh really love us?

[dijxtra]

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So who else does anyone know that took our place for our sins on the cross? What greater LOVE can someone exhibit than die for our sins & raise again after 3 days to set us free from them?

Well, I'd say it's pretty nasty of him to give us sin in the first place, if you ask me. It might be "love" (in some sadistic way), but surely not "LOVE", as you put it.

Give us sin..lol..

I don't know, I read that on the site from your signature:
"I am the LORD that maketh all things"
"[B]y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him."

So, then, if he didin't make sin, he didn't make all things? Why would he lie to us like that?

u dont even know half the story..He didn't give it to us, we took it upon ourselves & it started with disobedience of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden..

So, God decided to punish me and you for something that some people thousands of years ago did? I wouldn't way that is LOVE, I'd say that is just being rude and unpleasant guy.

and if u notice we all have the same nature when we talk so ungrateful & rude like u did..

I wasn't rude, I was just stating my opinion, and my opinion is that this Emanuel is quite an unpleasant guy to hang out with.

That wasn't just implied at u or to offend u cause I used to be the same until God in His mercy transformed me back to His holy ways just cause I realized I was sinful & went to Him for forgiveness. The gift of salvation is open to u too..all u have to do is stop being so doubtful & just open urself up to the Truth that's already there.

How do you know you are not hallucinating? My grandmother believed that invisible people in the sky were shooting electricity and radiation at here because they wanted to steal her milk. But, at least she didn't go on public forums telling people they should open themselves up to the Truth and hide their milk.

[Army of GOD]

You're implying that Yahweh exists.

[dijxtra]

You're implying that Yahweh exists.

Sure, why not! Do you have proof he doesn't exist? Let's be open for discussion

I mean, I'm not so much interested in discussion whether he exists (nah, boooring), but I'm really interested in why would anybody say that he loves us?! Because, it's seems to me he hates and despises us to the bone. But, I'm open for new ideas and if anybody can show me that Yahweh really loves us, everything would be much clearer to me.

[natty dread]

You're implying that Yahweh exists.

Sure, why not! Do you have proof he doesn't exist?

Logical fallacy! You can't prove a negative.

[nishiyoshi]

Interesting statement..How can u be objective about existence of life itself in this massive Universe..no other explanation is sufficient enough to unravel all the mysteries of this vast & humongous creation or nature as we see it..It takes more faith not to believe in God & believe that the entire universe came from a small tiny atom & all things evolved from something else. One can't think of that objectively or prove it an scientific lab setting. How can one believe no matter became matter? So, either u believe in God who cant be seen but can be felt & experienced or u believe in chance & matter coming out of no-matter. Either one u choose, its not objective & requires faith. I choose to live in hope & experience the love of God rather than live in hopelessness & be empty all the way.

krchada, stating that people who 'believe' in science require more faith than those who believe in God is a stretch. Seeing is believing in science. All the laws and major theories have been rigorously tested over and over again to get the empirical base upon which they are formed. You cannot scientifically prove your experiences with God, so that must be taken with faith. I sense you are somewhat young in your faith. I would highly recommend reading Richard Dawkins 'God Delusion,' followed by Oswald Chambers, 'My Utmost for his Highest,' closing with C.S. Lewis 'Four Loves'. That would be a much better use of time than proselytizing on an anonymous forum.

[krchada]

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Thats a pretty sensible thing u did..I was wondering if we could discuss this more in private than let everyone see, especially those who don't come in here for that..Good job..But I will respond to ur open comments with my open comments here as well..

I don't know, I read that on the site from your signature:
"I am the LORD that maketh all things"
"[B]y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him."
So, then, if he didin't make sin, he didn't make all things? Why would he lie to us like that?

Sin nature & so was the Devil or evil was also created by God not to enforce it on us but to let us appreciate the beauty of love & good Godly nature. That's the best explanation I can give u on that topic for now..the rest is mystery to me. But I know that when Adam & Eve were created, we did not have that sin nature in us until we ate the fruit from that forbidden tree. God made us in His image (holy & righteous) as the Bible states so too.

So, God decided to punish me and you for something that some people thousands of years ago did? I wouldn't way that is LOVE, I'd say that is just being rude and unpleasant guy.

Well..have u or me stopped continuing to sin for Him to stop punishing us for our sins? Also if we are from the same blood line of Adam & Eve, don't u think it makes sense that we carry some of those genes & attributes, just like we have some from our own parents. Besides, God got our back thru a fail safe plan already just so that u don't have to punished anymore for ur sins for eternity & be freed from the bondage of Sin. That plan of salvation is acquired as a gift from God just for simply accepting Jesus Christ (God in flesh or Son of God) as our Lord & Savior.

I wasn't rude, I was just stating my opinion, and my opinion is that this Emanuel is quite an unpleasant guy to hang out with.
How do you know you are not hallucinating? My grandmother believed that invisible people in the sky were shooting electricity and radiation at here because they wanted to steal her milk. But, at least she didn't go on public forums telling people they should open themselves up to the Truth and hide their milk.

Sorry for mentioning u r being rude then, my bad..U have a perfect right to state ur opinion. As for ur gma example, very good one. Based on what u said about ur gma not bold enough to go public & share what she believed as truth is precisely the reason why its not the Truth. Truth will set one free & its like loving treasure found. One will share it with all the loved ones & many more than they can imagine since that treasure is for everyone, to whomsoever is willing to accept as the Bible states again on the topic of Salvation & grace. Its to all people, a gift from God since He loves us so much.

[krchada]

krchada, stating that people who 'believe' in science require more faith than those who believe in God is a stretch. Seeing is believing in science. All the laws and major theories have been rigorously tested over and over again to get the empirical base upon which they are formed. You cannot scientifically prove your experiences with God, so that must be taken with faith. I sense you are somewhat young in your faith. I would highly recommend reading Richard Dawkins 'God Delusion,' followed by Oswald Chambers, 'My Utmost for his Highest,' closing with C.S. Lewis 'Four Loves'. That would be a much better use of time than proselytizing on an anonymous forum.

Yeah seeing is believing in Science..u r right most of all laws & theories in Science have been tested & can be retested..God made science & all the theories we are trying to figure out now.. He is the author & inventor of it all..We are just discovering stuff thats already there..So whats the point? U didn't make any progress in that argument at all..

Whats really messed up in current day science is the acceptance of the Evolution theory as a fact. Since none of the Evolution theories can be tested or proved in a lab setting..Have u ever seen a monkey turn into an ape & then a human or any animal turn into another? And why are monkeys & apes still there if we have evolved from them? It takes faith to believe in Evolution Science since its not provable or a fact. That's what I was referring to if u were slow to catch up.

Young in my faith..lol..proselytizing on an anonymous forum..lol..u come up with stuff that have no significance whatsoever with our discussion..attacking me is not going to get u anywhere.. My suggestion to u is read Jesus Christ's 'The Holy Bible' & leave the rest of the books u suggested for camp fire..

[krchada]

Logical fallacy! You can't prove a negative.

Yes u can prove a negative, with out which positive wont work..lol..

[natty dread]

Logical fallacy! You can't prove a negative.

Yes u can prove a negative, with out which positive wont work..lol..

http://tinyurl.com/4ouluqh

[Aradhus]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"

God loves his children, yeah!

[krchada]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"
God loves his children, yeah!

And u using words like that is going to make u a good debater, right? My strong suggestion to u is to watch what u say about God even if u don't believe in Him & have chosen ur path..Even the Demons know that there is only one God & they fear & tremble at the sound of His name..Are u better than ur own master (Satan / Devil) u chose to serve that u dare to call God names..I made this statement based on ur signature statement below:

"I got spelunked. In hell. It hurt. I is. And no-one forces down our eyes."

[krchada]

Logical fallacy! You can't prove a negative.

Yes u can prove a negative, with out which positive wont work..lol..

http://tinyurl.com/4ouluqh

And ur point..that url doesn't even work..lol..it might be a virus..

[Aradhus]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"
God loves his children, yeah!

And u using words like that is going to make u a good debater, right? My strong suggestion to u is to watch what u say about God even if u don't believe in Him & have chosen ur path..Even the Demons know that there is only one God & they fear & tremble at the sound of His name..Are u better than ur own master (Satan / Devil) u chose to serve that u dare to call God names..I made this statement based on ur signature statement below:

"I got spelunked. In hell. It hurt. I is. And no-one forces down our eyes."

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[krchada]

dijxtra, hope u got ur answer on why God has a right to punish people still looking at the attitude of Aradhus or whatever the real name is..the only reason Aradhus is still alive after his blatant curses towards Yahweh or Yeshuah or Jesus is grace & in itself a testimony & proof of God's love & forgiveness for us..hope u know that he really loves us now..also my prayer for that Aradhus after all the hateful comments is still forgiveness & salvation from God..

[TA1LGUNN3R]

My suggestion to u is read Jesus Christ's 'The Holy Bible' & leave the rest of the books u suggested for camp fire..

Bravo. That's definitely an effective means to find any answers. Just deem other books as inconsequential without even reading them, while accepting the text of thousands of years as truth, subject to hallucinations, vague prognostications, ulterior motives, and intentional and non-intentional translation issues. Well done.

Also I wasn't aware Jeebus authored the Bible.

-TG

[maasman]

dijxtra, hope u got ur answer on why God has a right to punish people still looking at the attitude of Aradhus or whatever the real name is..the only reason Aradhus is still alive after his blatant curses towards Yahweh or Yeshuah or Jesus is grace & in itself a testimony & proof of God's love & forgiveness for us..hope u know that he really loves us now..also my prayer for that Aradhus after all the hateful comments is still forgiveness & salvation from God..

That is very poor logic.

[Symmetry]

This entire thread is troll paradise. I'll put in a vote for these two to just PM each other before I feel like trying to explain anything to either of them.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"
God loves his children, yeah!

And u using words like that is going to make u a good debater, right? My strong suggestion to u is to watch what u say about God even if u don't believe in Him & have chosen ur path..Even the Demons know that there is only one God & they fear & tremble at the sound of His name..Are u better than ur own master (Satan / Devil) u chose to serve that u dare to call God names..I made this statement based on ur signature statement below:

"I got spelunked. In hell. It hurt. I is. And no-one forces down our eyes."

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[Neoteny]

Reminds me of Tim Minchin's "The Pope Song".

[krchada]

Bravo. That's definitely an effective means to find any answers. Just deem other books as inconsequential without even reading them, while accepting the text of thousands of years as truth, subject to hallucinations, vague prognostications, ulterior motives, and intentional and non-intentional translation issues. Well done.
Also I wasn't aware Jeebus authored the Bible.

If it was hard for u to understand the implicit meaning of my statement which is pretty much common sense, then its no surprise u think the Holy Bible is flawed & incorrect..Just as much the Holy Bible is the actual Word of God with no flaws, so are u & ur other books u read with a lot of flaws..How can an imperfect human granted with some intelligence & a limited lifespan understand the eternal & perfect Word of God or God Himself? Only by His grace & wisdom I was able to accept & comprehend the Truth..the same also applies to u..God only knows when u will or will not accept Him but my prayers do go out for u..

[krchada]

dijxtra, hope u got ur answer on why God has a right to punish people still looking at the attitude of Aradhus or whatever the real name is..the only reason Aradhus is still alive after his blatant curses towards Yahweh or Yeshuah or Jesus is grace & in itself a testimony & proof of God's love & forgiveness for us..hope u know that he really loves us now..also my prayer for that Aradhus after all the hateful comments is still forgiveness & salvation from God..

That is very poor logic.

And I guess u can put it in better logic, right? And besides this is not about logic but about faith. If we need ur mathematical insight, we will holler at u..lol..

[john9blue]

You people are all the same.

[krchada]

You just reminded me of ""Keep your Jesus off my penis!"

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

[krchada]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"

God loves his children, yeah!

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

[krchada]

You people are all the same.

So what are u, an alien?