Wisconsin State Employees & Budget Cuts

[Phatscotty]

How are unions not a part of the free market in action?

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

Boom. Free market

You didn't really counter anything nor answer the question. Would you care to try?

Yes, I will try.

I just wanted to see what it felt like to play your game for a sec

[Woodruff]

How are unions not a part of the free market in action?

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

Boom. Free market

You didn't really counter anything nor answer the question. Would you care to try?

Yes, I will try.
I just wanted to see what it felt like to play your game for a sec

That would only apply if "for a sec" somehow equates to the eight months or so in your mind.

[Phatscotty]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

[PLAYER57832]

The government should have the ability to enforce some REASONABLE safety laws. The problem is IMO that too often the government is not reasonable.

example? Because what I see is too few safety considerations..and those that exist not being enforced. Enviornmental protections are even weaker, by far.

[Woodruff]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Not if you understand how unions are formed in businesses. Do you understand how unions are formed in businesses, Phatscotty?

There's a reason why Wal-Mart has only ever had one small group of individuals unionize within their entire corporation, and that small group of meatcutters no longer exists. That reason isn't because my statements contradict each other.

[Phatscotty]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Not if you understand how unions are formed in businesses. Do you understand how unions are formed in businesses, Phatscotty?

There's a reason why Wal-Mart has only ever had one small group of individuals unionize within their entire corporation, and that small group of meatcutters no longer exists. That reason isn't because my statements contradict each other.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

I understand that forced unionization is not part of the "free" market.

so easy it's pointless

[Woodruff]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Not if you understand how unions are formed in businesses. Do you understand how unions are formed in businesses, Phatscotty?

There's a reason why Wal-Mart has only ever had one small group of individuals unionize within their entire corporation, and that small group of meatcutters no longer exists. That reason isn't because my statements contradict each other.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

I understand that forced unionization is not part of the "free" market.
so easy it's pointless

"Pointless" is right...it was pointless to believe that you understood how unionization of a business or part of a business is started. The fact of the matter is that unions absolutely are a part of the free market and anyone who believes they are not does not have a very sound understanding of what the free market is.

It's like you're claiming that because a business is forced to lower their prices in order to remain competitive that it isn't a part of the free market...just because they were "forced" to do something that was really fairly voluntary. You see, unions are formed in almost all cases because of worker dissatisfaction (for various reasons). If a business doesn't want a union to form in their business, all they have to do is take care of their people in a reasonable manner OR work very hard at anti-union foothold tactics (this is how Wal-Mart has remained successful at fending off the unions).

[PLAYER57832]

It becomes a problem when the companies have an inherent bias in the courts, etc. Employers already have a leg up in that most people don't want to endanger their jobs except for VERY good reasons. Companies don't have to be perfect employers to fend of unions, just not "simon Legree", in an open system. Unions operate as a reasonable check.

[Nobunaga]

... You see, unions are formed in almost all cases because of worker dissatisfaction (for various reasons). If a business doesn't want a union to form in their business, all they have to do is take care of their people in a reasonable manner OR work very hard at anti-union foothold tactics (this is how Wal-Mart has remained successful at fending off the unions).

... Often though, they must be convinced that they are dissatisfied.

... Where I work now is a non-union business. Most folks working there, on the actual factory floor, seem happy enough. My company offers a very good hourly rate with a kick-arse insurance plan, 401K, the works.

... Yet reps from unions (well, from a union) continue to "wine and dine" our associates, to tell them of the terrible oppression under which they suffer. This wining and dining usually involves weekend parties (free beer) and tickets to Reds or Bengels games.

... And some of these fools buy into it. Idiots. The second we go union is the second my company packs it in to set up shop elsewhere.

...

[Phatscotty]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Not if you understand how unions are formed in businesses. Do you understand how unions are formed in businesses, Phatscotty?

There's a reason why Wal-Mart has only ever had one small group of individuals unionize within their entire corporation, and that small group of meatcutters no longer exists. That reason isn't because my statements contradict each other.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

I understand that forced unionization is not part of the "free" market.
so easy it's pointless

"Pointless" is right...it was pointless to believe that you understood how unionization of a business or part of a business is started.

Well, I am in 2 unions and have been active and involved in both of them for over a decade. You sure I don't understand?

Another thing I understand is now you are trying to change the subject. Probably a win in your book.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

Free indeed woody.

[Woodruff]

... You see, unions are formed in almost all cases because of worker dissatisfaction (for various reasons). If a business doesn't want a union to form in their business, all they have to do is take care of their people in a reasonable manner OR work very hard at anti-union foothold tactics (this is how Wal-Mart has remained successful at fending off the unions).

... Often though, they must be convinced that they are dissatisfied.

That certainly happens, I will agree. And I do have a problem with that.

[Woodruff]

the overall point remains. your statements contradict each other.

No they don't. Not if you understand how unions are formed in businesses. Do you understand how unions are formed in businesses, Phatscotty?

There's a reason why Wal-Mart has only ever had one small group of individuals unionize within their entire corporation, and that small group of meatcutters no longer exists. That reason isn't because my statements contradict each other.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

I understand that forced unionization is not part of the "free" market.
so easy it's pointless

"Pointless" is right...it was pointless to believe that you understood how unionization of a business or part of a business is started.

Well, I am in 2 unions and have been active and involved in both of them for over a decade. You sure I don't understand?

Another thing I understand is now you are trying to change the subject. Probably a win in your book.

Companies are forced to accept unionization of their employees

Free indeed woody.

I haven't changed the subject at all. However, if you want to claim to belong to two unions and understand how they work, then the only thing I can say is that you must be dishonest in your discussion here. Because you don't seem to understand them and how they are a part of the free market.

[Phatscotty]

pretty sure it was your comment about companies being forced to unionize (and not just unions in general), but you aren't able to wrap your head around your own comment I guess.

still pointless.

As for you calling me a liar, I've already proven my union status here. Guess you are the one that is wrong afterall.

[PLAYER57832]

pretty sure it was your comment about companies being forced to unionize (and not just unions in general), but you aren't able to wrap your head around your own comment I guess.

still pointless.

As for you calling me a liar, I've already proven my union status here. Guess you are the one that is wrong afterall.

If companies are forced to unionize, it is by the employees, and part of the free market. However, even allowing that people have that right without a literal war (I mean aka deadly riots, etc), then they need some basic protections.

[Woodruff]

pretty sure it was your comment about companies being forced to unionize (and not just unions in general), but you aren't able to wrap your head around your own comment I guess.

I understand my comment perfectly well. You seem to be having a lot of difficulty with it, however.

As for you calling me a liar, I've already proven my union status here. Guess you are the one that is wrong afterall.

You've proven it? How, pray tell, did you do that? Did you present your union card to lackattack or something?

[Phatscotty]

Jobz

[john9blue]

JOBS

hey by the way, this summer i had a great internship job in wisconsin ($18/hour) with almost zero prior work experience. this was after i applied for about 20 stupid, nearly minimum wage jobs in illinois, and got rejected from all of them. it was like college applications all over again.

[spurgistan]

Nice! What'd you do?

[john9blue]

Nice! What'd you do?

i was a computer programming intern for a financial company. was pretty fun

[Phatscotty]

Wisconsin is hiring! Over 30,000 job positions need to be filled ASAP!

https://jobcenterofwisconsin.com/