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Re: Conservatism

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:27 pm

What's this obsession with "light" bulbs anyway? what's wrong with full-fat bulbs?
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:30 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:What's this obsession with "light" bulbs anyway? what's wrong with full-fat bulbs?


You've gotten them confused with lite-bulbs, which have all the taste, but non of the fat.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Woodruff on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:32 pm

Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote: I personally know of at least one HIGHLY conservative individual by their personal beliefs who considers themself to be a Democrat because they don't believe in legislating their personal beliefs onto others.


Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Woodruff on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:35 pm

Symmetry wrote:or simply waiting for Obama to do something and then saying how bad it is.


This IS the new Republican/Tea Party (not conservative) strategy. John Boehner disgusts me.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:41 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Symmetry wrote:or simply waiting for Obama to do something and then saying how bad it is.


This IS the new Republican/Tea Party (not conservative) strategy. John Boehner disgusts me.


Fair point- I didn't really emphasise enough that I do think there are exceptions, and that I was mainly talking about the more vocal and powerful elements of modern day conservatism in the US.

I read a fair number of conservative points of view because of my addiction to Andrew Sullivan's blog. Whenever I post them here I'm politely informed that they aren't real conservatives.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby GreecePwns on Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:21 pm

radiojake wrote:People have to stop thinking in binary opposites. Just because the media likes to set up the terms of public debate in binary opposites, doesn't mean that we should all fall into that trap.


The small scope of US politics is laughable and the fact that the people within the US tend to think that the ends of this small scope results in 'opposites' is hilarious and highlights how narrow-minded many Americans are (not saying everyone, but the resorting to the Democrat/Republican binary as if they are on the extreme ends of the ideological spectrum tends to suggest this)

Everyone else is just a socialist anyway, so why bother?
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:23 pm

I'm not a liberal, a conservative, a Democrat or Republican.



I just don't give a f*ck.

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Re: Conservatism

Postby Woodruff on Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:33 pm

Army of GOD wrote:I'm not a liberal, a conservative, a Democrat or Republican.
I just don't give a f*ck.


The only thing that makes you is an idiot.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Mr_Adams on Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:55 am

Woodruff wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote: I personally know of at least one HIGHLY conservative individual by their personal beliefs who considers themself to be a Democrat because they don't believe in legislating their personal beliefs onto others.


Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.



Anything anybody who pays taxes in this country doesn't approve of the government doing, that the government then does, is forcing people to FUND something they don't want. There will always be a small percent that just has to put up with it, but a fairly large portion of Americans do NOT approve of government subsidized broadcasting, so it shouldn't be done. Ya, that means I DON'T think we should be in two wars, I don't think the federal government should be doing most of what it does. "That which governs best, governs least" mentality that you disagree with. If you would like to discuss it further, I would happily have a conversation. To take one consideration and draw a conclusion shows me that you aren't worth trying to have an honest discussion with.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby radiojake on Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:19 am

Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote: I personally know of at least one HIGHLY conservative individual by their personal beliefs who considers themself to be a Democrat because they don't believe in legislating their personal beliefs onto others.


Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.



Anything anybody who pays taxes in this country doesn't approve of the government doing, that the government then does, is forcing people to FUND something they don't want. There will always be a small percent that just has to put up with it, but a fairly large portion of Americans do NOT approve of government subsidized broadcasting, so it shouldn't be done. Ya, that means I DON'T think we should be in two wars, I don't think the federal government should be doing most of what it does. "That which governs best, governs least" mentality that you disagree with. If you would like to discuss it further, I would happily have a conversation. To take one consideration and draw a conclusion shows me that you aren't worth trying to have an honest discussion with.


Now I´m not too familiar with public radio in the States, but are you talking about taking away the funding to public, community radio? Should the only radio on the air be by those with the money to pay for a broadcasting license?
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Re: Conservatism

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:38 am

Symmetry wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
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This IS the new Republican/Tea Party (not conservative) strategy. John Boehner disgusts me.


Fair point- I didn't really emphasise enough that I do think there are exceptions, and that I was mainly talking about the more vocal and powerful elements of modern day conservatism in the US.

I read a fair number of conservative points of view because of my addiction to Andrew Sullivan's blog. Whenever I post them here I'm politely informed that they aren't real conservatives.

I believe Buckley would be considered a "flaming liberal" by many today :roll:
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Re: Conservatism

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:40 am

Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote: I personally know of at least one HIGHLY conservative individual by their personal beliefs who considers themself to be a Democrat because they don't believe in legislating their personal beliefs onto others.


Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.



Anything anybody who pays taxes in this country doesn't approve of the government doing, that the government then does, is forcing people to FUND something they don't want. There will always be a small percent that just has to put up with it, but a fairly large portion of Americans do NOT approve of government subsidized broadcasting, so it shouldn't be done. Ya, that means I DON'T think we should be in two wars, I don't think the federal government should be doing most of what it does. "That which governs best, governs least" mentality that you disagree with. If you would like to discuss it further, I would happily have a conversation. To take one consideration and draw a conclusion shows me that you aren't worth trying to have an honest discussion with.

That sounds nice, but what it really means is that we will be paying far more to for profit corporations to do what the government now does. And, as radiojake pointed out, only the most prominent, popular voices will be heard any more. That is not democracy.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby Mr_Adams on Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:56 am

radiojake wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote: I personally know of at least one HIGHLY conservative individual by their personal beliefs who considers themself to be a Democrat because they don't believe in legislating their personal beliefs onto others.


Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.



Anything anybody who pays taxes in this country doesn't approve of the government doing, that the government then does, is forcing people to FUND something they don't want. There will always be a small percent that just has to put up with it, but a fairly large portion of Americans do NOT approve of government subsidized broadcasting, so it shouldn't be done. Ya, that means I DON'T think we should be in two wars, I don't think the federal government should be doing most of what it does. "That which governs best, governs least" mentality that you disagree with. If you would like to discuss it further, I would happily have a conversation. To take one consideration and draw a conclusion shows me that you aren't worth trying to have an honest discussion with.


Now I´m not too familiar with public radio in the States, but are you talking about taking away the funding to public, community radio? Should the only radio on the air be by those with the money to pay for a broadcasting license?



There you go, it takes a lot of money to get your voice heard on radio. that's another part of the problem. Another thing the federal government shouldn't be aloud to do is require a license to broadcast. maybe state governments should have that power, but not the fed. they have their sticky little fingers in every nook and cranny. If it didn't cost millions to secure broadcasting licenses, you could have local talk shows sponsored by local small businesses. What a novel idea?
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Re: Conservatism

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:15 am

Mr_Adams wrote: There you go, it takes a lot of money to get your voice heard on radio. that's another part of the problem. Another thing the federal government shouldn't be aloud to do is require a license to broadcast. maybe state governments should have that power, but not the fed. they have their sticky little fingers in every nook and cranny. If it didn't cost millions to secure broadcasting licenses, you could have local talk shows sponsored by local small businesses. What a novel idea?

First, regulating radio channels is a practical matter... the same way we have stop signs and other traffic rules on roads. If the channels were not regulated, then it would be a "whoever has the most powerful receiver" competition. You would NOT see multiple stations by small businesses, you would see only the biggest and most powerful station essentially "drowning out" the others.

Per the fees -- well, again, the past few decades have seen the move to "we have to make everything profitable".

BUT, this is a very old problem. Do you know, for example, that one reason there is a reduced rate for mailng periodicals through the post office is because it was recognized that having much charge, some argued any charge, would limit people's access to information. Without free access to information, there IS NO Democracy (or republic).

This is about freedom of information and ensuring that everyone has access to multiple sides of every question.
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Re: Conservatism

Postby GreecePwns on Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:48 am

Mr_Adams wrote:
radiojake wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:Like gun control, health care mandates, and taxpayer funding of radio programs, just to list a few recent examples.


That you believe that taxpayer funding of NPR equates to "legislating personal beliefs onto others" simply shows me that you're too far gone to honestly discuss the issue.



Anything anybody who pays taxes in this country doesn't approve of the government doing, that the government then does, is forcing people to FUND something they don't want. There will always be a small percent that just has to put up with it, but a fairly large portion of Americans do NOT approve of government subsidized broadcasting, so it shouldn't be done. Ya, that means I DON'T think we should be in two wars, I don't think the federal government should be doing most of what it does. "That which governs best, governs least" mentality that you disagree with. If you would like to discuss it further, I would happily have a conversation. To take one consideration and draw a conclusion shows me that you aren't worth trying to have an honest discussion with.


Now I´m not too familiar with public radio in the States, but are you talking about taking away the funding to public, community radio? Should the only radio on the air be by those with the money to pay for a broadcasting license?



There you go, it takes a lot of money to get your voice heard on radio. that's another part of the problem. Another thing the federal government shouldn't be aloud to do is require a license to broadcast. maybe state governments should have that power, but not the fed. they have their sticky little fingers in every nook and cranny. If it didn't cost millions to secure broadcasting licenses, you could have local talk shows sponsored by local small businesses. What a novel idea?
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