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natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:can someone tell me why people who think that abortion is murder believe it's okay to have an abortion in the case of rape? are all rape victims permitted to commit one murder?
john9blue wrote:can someone tell me why people who think that abortion is murder believe it's okay to have an abortion in the case of rape? are all rape victims permitted to commit one murder?
tzor wrote:john9blue wrote:can someone tell me why people who think that abortion is murder believe it's okay to have an abortion in the case of rape? are all rape victims permitted to commit one murder?
The most common reason is due to a French expression normally attrributed to Voltare, "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ("Dans ses Ć©crits, un sĆ ge Italien Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.") As the actual occurance of abortions due to rape is small, it is foolish to have abortions performed for any reason because someone complains about abortions for those who are survivors of rape. It's a classical liberal emotional trap, which, ironically, doesn't care a wit for the actual conditions of the rape survivor.
There is also a confusion in that "rape" is often confused with "statuatory rape" and in turn confused with "incest," so there are other reasons why non viability or other general preceived phobias involving incest might apply. Mind you as most abortion centers (such as Planned Parenthood) do their utmost to conceal cases of incest and statuatory rape from actually being investigated, this is an ironic moot point.
tzor wrote:And in response to Woodruff's graphic, while flotation devices are generally considered a good thing by the general public, there is a good reason to argue that american football protective gear has done more harm than good by encouraging more collisions that can cause substantial long term damage even with the use of the protective gear.
Woodruff wrote:Did you answer his question? I'm having difficulty telling if you answered it or if you just used it as an excuse for a rant.
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
tzor wrote:Woodruff wrote:Did you answer his question? I'm having difficulty telling if you answered it or if you just used it as an excuse for a rant.
Sorry Woodruff; I'll try to restate it. It is not worth loosing the battle and having abortions for any reason by the millions than to have attempted to save the few remaining 1% due to rape or incest and fail. The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one percent).
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Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
Lootifer wrote:Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
Thats how I view it.
Even the most liberal among us dont view abortion as a good thing. Abortion is bad, and if it was possible to have a world where abortion didnt exist then I would welcome that world with open arms. However that isnt a reality.
john9blue wrote:Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
so, just to be clear, if 1% of abortions are justified, then you're willing to allow all abortions?
natty dread wrote:Jesus, you're like a creationist citing "facts" from answers in genesis. Maybe you'd be more credible if you tried a more neutral source...
Juan_Bottom wrote:A bunch of men sitting and talking about how much and to what degree a women should be a slave to her own body.
tzor wrote:john9blue wrote:can someone tell me why people who think that abortion is murder believe it's okay to have an abortion in the case of rape? are all rape victims permitted to commit one murder?
.... It's a classical liberal emotional trap....
tzor wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:A bunch of men sitting and talking about how much and to what degree a women should be a slave to her own body.
Gender has nothing to do with it. (If you want I can list all the pro-life women that I personally know. It's not my fault they neither play CC nor participate in this forum.) However, I will admit that eveyone in this discussion has the dubious distinction of not having been aborted (well there may be one or two but I'm going to bet that there are none). Honesty, the real people in this debate should be people who were aborted. Their opinions should carry a great weight.
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Actually I was serious ... go Here for their stories.
john9blue wrote:Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
so, just to be clear, if 1% of abortions are justified, then you're willing to allow all abortions?
Juan_Bottom wrote:Lootifer wrote:Woodruff wrote:As far as I am personally concerned, it doesn't matter one whit how few instances of rape/incest abortions are necessary...if there is one instance of it, then it should be allowed and if that means I am forced to decide between no abortions or all abortions, then I will make that choice for all abortions. I know I am not alone at all in that perspective.
Thats how I view it.
Even the most liberal among us dont view abortion as a good thing. Abortion is bad, and if it was possible to have a world where abortion didnt exist then I would welcome that world with open arms. However that isnt a reality.
Roe V Wade didn't create Abortion. A Constitutional Amendment repealing it won't stop Abortion.
Juan_Bottom wrote:A bunch of men sitting and talking about how much and to what degree a women should be a slave to her own body. I'm so Liberal I don't even feel comfortable with this all-male panel here.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:why are we americans even allowed to have an opinion about african genocides? it's their country, and they can do what they want with it! who are we to judge?
Juan_Bottom wrote:Roe V Wade didn't create Abortion. A Constitutional Amendment repealing it won't stop Abortion.
PLAYER57832 wrote:That you don't want to make a distinction between a less than 3 month fetus, without sensation, etc... and with barely a 50/50 chance of becoming human, with intentional genocide in Africa speaks volumes.
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