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BigBallinStalin wrote:*sigh* I'll be less subtle. I thought using the phrase "Cyber Communications" would hint at "The Holy Trinity of Internet Communications," and that the false equivalance argument was obvious enough.
But you do bring up some great points. Yes, people presume knowledge over which they don't know (e.g. economics, BBS). However, there's several ways to address this problem. Two of which are: (1) Encourage people to use different analytical frameworks for understanding causal relationships, or (2) try to shut down the inquiry while labeling people racist.
I opt for #1 by using the econometric way of thinking. You've regrettably opted for #2, which in my opinion is not at all productive/useful because it still leaves people wondering about those causal relationships. At least with the #1 approach, I provide some people the means for framing such questions in order to become more skeptical about their personal observations and the conclusions which they ponder.
Hopefully, that clears up the confusion. RE: your last sentence, Sure, many scientists don't view inquiries about race as decent, but that in no way contributes to the public discourse. Many (even scientists) adhere to th pretense of knowledge, but at least many are willing to understand through questions and argument. Side-stepping and/or undercuttnig the entire debate fails to undermine the sources of racism through idea creation in the non-scientific spheres. I'm tackling this problem, and you're essentially calling people racists (which isn't nearly as useful). It's almost as useless as Symmetry's approach of calling people idiots.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:I propose that everyone who has an interest in the scientific inquiry into intelligence or physiology of different "races" are all racist.
To be exempt from this: without using Google, please list three other areas of basic or applied research in the fields of psychology or physiology that you are as knowledgeable about.
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jimboston wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:what constitutes IQ and whether it is an actual indicator of anything .. or whether IQ is really measuring the attribute we think is important (ability to aquire new information readily).
Is that what IQ Measures?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
PLAYER57832 wrote:jimboston wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:what constitutes IQ and whether it is an actual indicator of anything .. or whether IQ is really measuring the attribute we think is important (ability to aquire new information readily).
Is that what IQ Measures?
LOL... IQ tests measure how well an individual does on an IQ test.
jimboston wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:jimboston wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:what constitutes IQ and whether it is an actual indicator of anything .. or whether IQ is really measuring the attribute we think is important (ability to aquire new information readily).
Is that what IQ Measures?
LOL... IQ tests measure how well an individual does on an IQ test.
Perhaps.
It certainly doesn't measure the "ability to aquire new information readily"... neither does it measure the "ability to acquire new information readily."
Intelligence is NOT the ability to acquire information.
Neoteny wrote:I propose that everyone who has an interest in the scientific inquiry into intelligence or physiology of different "races" are all racist.
To be exempt from this: without using Google, please list three other areas of basic or applied research in the fields of psychology or physiology that you are as knowledgeable about.
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thegreekdog wrote:
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
Funkyterrance wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
Wow, you said a mouthful. I'm not arguing your stance but I have some issues with your examples...
White people from the US tend to be economically advantaged, generally speaking. That being considered, wouldn't a white person have, in general, access to more nutritious foods and better facilities for training? Also, what is the inference regarding 75% of professional athletes coming from low to middle class backgrounds? I'm a little behind in this thread so please excuse me if I missed something.
thegreekdog wrote:Neoteny wrote:I propose that everyone who has an interest in the scientific inquiry into intelligence or physiology of different "races" are all racist.
To be exempt from this: without using Google, please list three other areas of basic or applied research in the fields of psychology or physiology that you are as knowledgeable about.
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You could use bing.com.
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
thegreekdog wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
Wow, you said a mouthful. I'm not arguing your stance but I have some issues with your examples...
White people from the US tend to be economically advantaged, generally speaking. That being considered, wouldn't a white person have, in general, access to more nutritious foods and better facilities for training? Also, what is the inference regarding 75% of professional athletes coming from low to middle class backgrounds? I'm a little behind in this thread so please excuse me if I missed something.
I may not have written it in this thread, but I believe a person's lot in life depends mainly upon economic conditions. Someone mentioned it eariler in this thread, but a poor black child may believe his options are limited and one of those options is athletics.
I'm reasonably certain this has not been done, but if we put a black child and a white child, in the same household, under the same economic conditions, feed them the same food and have them train or exercise or go to school the same ways, will there be a difference in the two children? Will the white child be more intelligent and the black child more athletic? I would say no. But I have no scientific basis for that and all my evidence is anecdotal. And I have a lot of anecdotal evidence. I can provide examples until the cows come home. Here's another one:
In high school, the best basketball program in my state was from a Catholic school. The entire team consisted of poor to middle-class white kids. They regularly beat all-black basketball teams.
Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Neoteny wrote:I propose that everyone who has an interest in the scientific inquiry into intelligence or physiology of different "races" are all racist.
To be exempt from this: without using Google, please list three other areas of basic or applied research in the fields of psychology or physiology that you are as knowledgeable about.
:]><
You could use bing.com.
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
ITT: thegreekdog thinks "on average" means "all"
thegreekdog wrote:Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Neoteny wrote:I propose that everyone who has an interest in the scientific inquiry into intelligence or physiology of different "races" are all racist.
To be exempt from this: without using Google, please list three other areas of basic or applied research in the fields of psychology or physiology that you are as knowledgeable about.
:]><
You could use bing.com.
All I'm saying is that if the color of one's skin correlated to athleticism, then on Saturday I would not have seen a white wide receiver from Iowa (or Idaho) outrun a black cornerback.
I wonder if there has ever been any studies on how many [insert sport] players are from poor or lower middle class backgrounds versus middle class, upper middle class or rich backgrounds. I bet 3/4ths of all professional atheletes are from low to middle class backgrounds.
ITT: thegreekdog thinks "on average" means "all"
ITT: AoG thinks that 76% of the NBA (or 342 of 450 players) consisting of black men means that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person.
Army of GOD wrote:oh, so NOW you understand my argument
Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
ITT: AoG thinks that 76% of the NBA (or 342 of 450 players) consisting of black men means that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person.
oh, so NOW you understand my argument
thegreekdog wrote:Army of GOD wrote:oh, so NOW you understand my argument
No, I really don't.
Funkyterrance wrote:Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
ITT: AoG thinks that 76% of the NBA (or 342 of 450 players) consisting of black men means that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person.
oh, so NOW you understand my argument
You have to admit TGD, he's got his right to his opinion.
thegreekdog wrote:Army of GOD wrote:oh, so NOW you understand my argument
No, I really don't.
thegreekdog wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
ITT: AoG thinks that 76% of the NBA (or 342 of 450 players) consisting of black men means that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person.
oh, so NOW you understand my argument
You have to admit TGD, he's got his right to his opinion.
That blacks have bigger muscles than whites? On average?
Funkyterrance wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Funkyterrance wrote:Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:
ITT: AoG thinks that 76% of the NBA (or 342 of 450 players) consisting of black men means that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person.
oh, so NOW you understand my argument
You have to admit TGD, he's got his right to his opinion.
That blacks have bigger muscles than whites? On average?
No that he chooses to believe that the fact that the NBA is composed of 76% black people is enough evidence to him that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person. It has all other kinds of implications but it's not our problem.
Army of GOD wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Army of GOD wrote:oh, so NOW you understand my argument
No, I really don't.
thegreekdog wrote:
I'm no scientist, statistician, or logician, but a sample size of 450 people is probably not enough to make a generalization about most of the people in the world.
Funkyterrance wrote:No that he chooses to believe that the fact that the NBA is composed of 76% black people is enough evidence to him that the average black person is more athletic than the average white person. It has all other kinds of implications but it's not our problem.
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