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Symmetry wrote:Jewish folk have been living in the area for a long time. I'm not sure why you think that the area comprising modern day Israel was somehow devoid of Judaism for 18 centuries, but I will be the guy who calls BS on your farce.
Bruceswar Ā» Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:59 pm wrote:We all had tons of men..
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Arab critics of Israel speak of Jewish migration to Palestine after World War I, neglecting to mention that there has been a substantial and continuous Jewish presence in the land for over three thousand years, and a steady Jewish majority in Jerusalem. Nor do they care to remember that when, after World War II, the General Assembly proposed to partition Palestine, this followed an earlier (1922) and illegal partition by the British which gave almost 80% of the land promised to the Jews by the Balfour Declaration to create the Arab state of Transjordan. Thus, at the time of the 1947 partition vote in the United Nations, the Jews had already been unlawfully deprived of four-fifths of their entitlement.
2dimes wrote:Anyone else think they might be having discussions like this about the UK in the future?
Lock it up.
Dukasaur wrote:2dimes wrote:Anyone else think they might be having discussions like this about the UK in the future?
Lock it up.
What, you think they might want to give England back to the Danes?
GreecePwns wrote:Only the religious fanatics would be calling for the seizing of Palestinian land, and the Kenya Israel would have likely been permanent.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Symmetry wrote:At least you gave them the dignity of a capital letter. Gillipig's thread title should be a huge warning sign that he's really quite nasty.
Viceroy63 wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Only the religious fanatics would be calling for the seizing of Palestinian land, and the Kenya Israel would have likely been permanent.
First of all please excuse the deletion of most of the quote. But I really just wanted to focus on this one part of the comment in detail. A people can move or be moved to another location but who they are is tied with the land. The Israelite people are the perfect example of this as History has shown.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
GreecePwns wrote:Oh, please, patches.
The anti-Semite argument would apply if I didn't oppose all religions, all theocratic states, all violations of international law, all violations of contractual property rights, all racism, etc. I don't single out the Jews in these regards at all.
I mean, you know much better than this.
betiko wrote:ok, this may sound a bit foolish but why is mankind so stupid?
There is no such thing as a creator. Before the big bang, time and space didn't even exist, therefore there can't be anything such as a great architect who suddenly decided to create the universe. And if there was one, he wouldn't give a damn f*ck of something trillions of times smaller than a grain of dust called the earth.
Mankind just had to invent godly concepts to explain the unexplainable at the time (even though now a days and the progress of science the existence still has tons of unexplained reasons).
Can't we just pass through this and live together in harmony? thousands of years, religions, descendance and land means shit nothing. Are Israelians and Palestinians living happier now with the conflicts they are putting themselves into? Stupid religions and history make them think they have rights over that territory. The fact is that they should just drop the guns the kipas and the burkhas, make love and mix their blood. what is racism after all? mostly thinking that having descendance with other "races"/cultures is bad.
Nationalism and religions are just 2 excuses to fullfill human's need for power and dominance over one another. Our own culture doesn't make us better than our neighbour. Let's be more conscious of our evil nature and do something about it. I know it's easier to say so than to actually do it.
Israelians and Palestinans think too much of themselves as the good guys, but they are in fact their own enemies.
Dukasaur wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Oh, please, patches.
The anti-Semite argument would apply if I didn't oppose all religions, all theocratic states, all violations of international law, all violations of contractual property rights, all racism, etc. I don't single out the Jews in these regards at all.
I mean, you know much better than this.
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You oppose all theocratic states, but you don't seem to mind the Jihadists' desire to push Israel back into the sea and replace it with another theocratic Islamic dictatorship! What a two-faced joke!
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.
Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PU ... 11847.html
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
Dukasaur wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Oh, please, patches.
The anti-Semite argument would apply if I didn't oppose all religions, all theocratic states, all violations of international law, all violations of contractual property rights, all racism, etc. I don't single out the Jews in these regards at all.
I mean, you know much better than this.
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You oppose all theocratic states, but you don't seem to mind the Jihadists' desire to push Israel back into the sea and replace it with another theocratic Islamic dictatorship! What a two-faced joke!
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Oh, please, patches.
The anti-Semite argument would apply if I didn't oppose all religions, all theocratic states, all violations of international law, all violations of contractual property rights, all racism, etc. I don't single out the Jews in these regards at all.
I mean, you know much better than this.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:You, my friend, are in the religious Zionist camp I described above, the camp that has ruled the Zionist movement since that 1903 debate.
Unfortunately, international law and property rights of the Palestinians cannot be overridden by the claims of a people based on a book of fairy tales they follow from millennia ago. Sorry, but that's not how the secular and rational world works.
Actually, it was your main point. And it still sounds ridiculous and delusional to anyone who isn't a Christian or a Jew. Sorry, your religious beliefs have no place in deciding the legitimacy of the seizing of legally owned property and imprisonment of people deemed not your kind.Viceroy63 wrote:My whole comment was to show that a people can and will lose identity if and when relocated to another region. Sure I took opportunity there to cover Bible Prophecy but it can not be denied. Things are happening just as prophesied. But that is besides the point.
Of course, the American population and other smaller countries' governments sit idly by and accepts the illegitimate actions of the US government in exchange for a bag of candies and a wad of cash. That doesn't mean everyone else does and nor should they.But you state that the Secular and Rational world does not work like this by taking land and or spoils from others. But that is exactly how the Secular and rational world works.
The US. goes to war over Oil. Oh sure we say that we are looking for Terrorist or Weapons of Mass Destruction, But the truth is we are in the Middle East because that's where the oil is and we will never leave that region of the world until all the Oil is exhausted from the Middle East. Then we will tap into our own enormous supplies in Alaska. That is how the Secular and Rational world works. And the world looks the other way.
If there was nothing of value to fight for then the world would be at peace. But land is the source of all wealth. And he who has more land has more wealth. And nations will continue to fight over land and the control of it's wealth Despite international laws and property rights. If we do it then why should not Israel? That does not make it right but it simply is the way the world works.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
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