Obama's 23 Executive Orders

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[thegreekdog]

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition clips will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis—or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority—would hold no validity.

I agree. I would also posit that any potential effort to create the illusion that this will prevent another Sandy Hook would hold no validity.

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[thegreekdog]

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition clips will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis—or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority—would hold no validity.

I agree. I would also posit that any potential effort to create the illusion that this will prevent another Sandy Hook would hold no validity.

I agree also. None of these items would have prevented Sandy Hook. But I agree all these things are fine and valid to pass.

The only thing that seems silly is:
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patientsabout guns in their homes.

Why does your doctor care if you have guns? You should tell him if you handle lead bullets as it can lead to lead poisoning, but owning a gun isn't a health risk.

Fine and valid to pass in what context? A constitutional context? A fiscally responsible context?

I would argue that the president is constitutionally signing these executive orders. I would argue that he's also being fiscally irresponsible and that these are therefore not fine and valid (especially given that none of them would prevent a Sandy Hook massacre from happening again, which is why the president had all those children up there in the first place today).

[Night Strike]

Isn't it telling how Obamacare has crept into the picture on gun control? When the government controls your health care, they can literally have at the minimum input and at worst control over EVERY area of personal life.

And the reason he's issuing that order to clarify that doctors can ask about gun ownership is because Obamacare had a specific section saying doctors can NOT record information about gun ownership. It's just more of Obama ignoring laws he wants to ignore.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/09/this-is-how-a-secret-gun-provision-made-its-way-into-obamacare-legislation/

[saxitoxin]

Yeah, most of these seem pretty inoffensive. Frankly, most of these are just things that are his regular job assignments anyway and he missed the due date by a couple years but his employer decided not to fire him. For instance ...

> 11. Nominate an ATF director. (work assignment due 18 months ago)

> 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. (work assignment due 2 years ago)

While others are so nebulous that they appear to just be stuff that was thrown in so there are a lot of bullet points on the list. Like when you get an assignment to do a 10 page paper and you only end up with 8 pages so try adjusting the margins in MS Word, or using a bigger font, or going to double-spacing ...

> 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

*yawn*

[saxitoxin]

Gun advocates don't mind Obama's executive orders since they don't do anything - some even incorporate NRA proposals.

Gun advocates shrug at Obama’s executive actions

Instead of a firestorm, President Barack Obama’s gun policy executive orders produced little more than a fizzle among gun advocates.

For days leading up to the announcement, conservative websites and media outlets stoked fears of what Obama was planning to do unilaterally. But when he unveiled his proposal Wednesday — even though the list of executive actions had grown from 19 to 23 — he’d stayed so modest that they didn’t do much but shrug.

Instead of a mass gun round-up or finding ways to extend existing gun restrictions through clever legal maneuvering, Obama didn’t even sign a single paper with the dreaded “executive order” label. The closest he got were three “presidential memoranda.”

But most weren’t even that: the remaining 20 were nothing more than less formal instructions he gave to aides or administration officials.

“My first glance of them was, phew, there was nothing horrible in any of them. They actually put some things in there that I talked about during the meeting with the vice president,” said Richard Feldman, a former NRA official

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/g ... 86329.html