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rdsrds2120 wrote:Darn. I shared this on Facebook weeks ago. I'll have to post more
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thegreekdog wrote:While I appreciate what he's trying to do, it's a little off-putting when he spends the first 30 seconds to a minute making it abundantly clear to listeners that he is not gay. "
CBlake wrote:thegreekdog wrote:While I appreciate what he's trying to do, it's a little off-putting when he spends the first 30 seconds to a minute making it abundantly clear to listeners that he is not gay. "
Hmm I think he's being genuine. The things he liked to do are stereotypes associated with gay people, I like it, but I guess I can see how you might not.
Metsfanmax wrote:Why is it a "mistake" for him to say that he is not gay?
thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Why is it a "mistake" for him to say that he is not gay?
Hmm... I knew I shouldn't have used that word.
He made a big deal at the beginning of the video that he wasn't gay. It bothered me. He could have said nothing at all about his own sexuality.
AndyDufresne wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Why is it a "mistake" for him to say that he is not gay?
Hmm... I knew I shouldn't have used that word.
He made a big deal at the beginning of the video that he wasn't gay. It bothered me. He could have said nothing at all about his own sexuality.
From my own experience, I've tended to see a fair number of allies who were "new" to the ally scene go out of there way to make this sort declaration. It is probably made for any number of reasons, but I think a top few are is that sometimes newer allies think their argument will carry more weight with "fellow straight" individuals, if they declare up front "I am one of you, but look what I support" sort of thing. Additionally, in other cases, sometimes the declaration is there to fend off the stigma that is still sometimes associated with being homosexual personally, which is of course disappointing.
--Andy
thegreekdog wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Why is it a "mistake" for him to say that he is not gay?
Hmm... I knew I shouldn't have used that word.
He made a big deal at the beginning of the video that he wasn't gay. It bothered me. He could have said nothing at all about his own sexuality.
From my own experience, I've tended to see a fair number of allies who were "new" to the ally scene go out of there way to make this sort declaration. It is probably made for any number of reasons, but I think a top few are is that sometimes newer allies think their argument will carry more weight with "fellow straight" individuals, if they declare up front "I am one of you, but look what I support" sort of thing. Additionally, in other cases, sometimes the declaration is there to fend off the stigma that is still sometimes associated with being homosexual personally, which is of course disappointing.
--Andy
Yes, that is ultimately what I got from his seeming insistence that he's straight. The rap community is not very tolerant of gays and I was disappointed that a pro-gay rapper would make these kinds of statements.
Metsfanmax wrote:thegreekdog wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Why is it a "mistake" for him to say that he is not gay?
Hmm... I knew I shouldn't have used that word.
He made a big deal at the beginning of the video that he wasn't gay. It bothered me. He could have said nothing at all about his own sexuality.
From my own experience, I've tended to see a fair number of allies who were "new" to the ally scene go out of there way to make this sort declaration. It is probably made for any number of reasons, but I think a top few are is that sometimes newer allies think their argument will carry more weight with "fellow straight" individuals, if they declare up front "I am one of you, but look what I support" sort of thing. Additionally, in other cases, sometimes the declaration is there to fend off the stigma that is still sometimes associated with being homosexual personally, which is of course disappointing.
--Andy
Yes, that is ultimately what I got from his seeming insistence that he's straight. The rap community is not very tolerant of gays and I was disappointed that a pro-gay rapper would make these kinds of statements.
I believe you missed the point. He wasn't taking to time explain "I'm not gay." He was discussing his personal experience with thinking he might have been gay, and then being told by someone else that he can't be gay because he doesn't conform to the stereotype. He bemoaned the fact that this stereotype exists and that we essentially use it to influence our children and their perception of sexual norms.
saxitoxin wrote:I agree with TGD. On one hand he wants to get an invite to Ellen and Portio's anniversary bash, on the other he doesn't want to alienate the generally gay skeptic hip hop crowd who are paying the lease on his Tesla. So he had to throw in a musical disclaimer, kinda throwing his gay friends under the bus in the process.
Though I question whether Macklemore's light, airy pop rap really attracts the typical hip hop crowd or more white guys having a midlife crisis.
rdsrds2120 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I agree with TGD. On one hand he wants to get an invite to Ellen and Portio's anniversary bash, on the other he doesn't want to alienate the generally gay skeptic hip hop crowd who are paying the lease on his Tesla. So he had to throw in a musical disclaimer, kinda throwing his gay friends under the bus in the process.
Though I question whether Macklemore's light, airy pop rap really attracts the typical hip hop crowd or more white guys having a midlife crisis.
I don't think he was trying to attract the typical hip-hop crowd. That said, I don't think it does
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thegreekdog wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I agree with TGD. On one hand he wants to get an invite to Ellen and Portio's anniversary bash, on the other he doesn't want to alienate the generally gay skeptic hip hop crowd who are paying the lease on his Tesla. So he had to throw in a musical disclaimer, kinda throwing his gay friends under the bus in the process.
Though I question whether Macklemore's light, airy pop rap really attracts the typical hip hop crowd or more white guys having a midlife crisis.
I don't think he was trying to attract the typical hip-hop crowd. That said, I don't think it does
BMO
I think he was trying to attract the typical rap crowd, or at least that should have been the purpose of the song. And that's a noble thing to do. But, again, I'm bothered by the beginning is all. To be fair, I don't know who this guy is (although I've heard the name before and I believe he's popular), so I don't know if his music generally appeals to the typical rap crowd or not. But I would say the same thing if it was Jay-Z or RZA.
jonesthecurl wrote:So shave it.
saxitoxin wrote:It's like those radio stations today that play "The Best of the 80s, 90s and Today" ... in 40 years, when they're playing "The Best of the 00s, Teens and Today" - Macklemore will be every third song being played. Maybe Bruno Mars, too.
He's basically writing the soundtrack a mom in 2040 will rock out to while driving her mini-van to pick-up AoG Jr. from the pediatrician before he has to get to soccer practice.
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