betiko wrote:while there is a lot of corruption in spain and greece; the heads of the government were elected in a legit way. Everybody knows that Russia picks so far a new muppet for their own interests. The ukranians are tiredof this BS. Protesting against a government democratically elected, and protesting against a government "democratically" elected isn't really comparable.
Oh, the Ukraine has had problems in the past, usually with US puppets (see Viktor Yushchenko) and has problems now without a doubt. But Yanukovych's election was judged about as fair as it gets according to all the international agencies that monitor such things. His election was certainly a lot cleaner than Yushchenko's (remember, he claimed to have been poisoned by his rival and that helped win him the election. It has since been learned that the story about being poisoned was probably fabricated).
The point is, it's up to the Ukrainians to decide for themselves. What gives Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt to decide who or who doesn't serve in the Ukrainian government? That's what they were talking about after all, not just dissing on the EU but discussing the recent offer made by Yanukovych to include two of the leaders of those street protests in the actual Ukrainian government. Nuland thinks one will be ok but the other she doesn't want in there, why should she have any say at all in the matter?
If we and the EU are pissed about the trade deal falling through, then why not just make a better deal?
Do you remember when Morsi (in Egypt) took over? One of the first things he did was arrest some members of a US democracy group, one of which was the son of a US senator. Even Morsi knew that the US uses these groups to infiltrate, stir up trouble and cause chaos in foreign states in the effort to further US interests.
It's also coincidence that Ukraine's last US puppet (Yushchenko) was a banker before he became the president. Hahaha, I guess if one elects a banker as their president then one deserves the corn holing that will be coming.
That's all, I don't give a rats ass about Ukraine's internal disputes. It's none of the US' business. Or the EU's for that matter. I'd hope that even you can see the conflict of interests on the part of the EU.
As for Russia, Ukraine is important to them. Keiv is known as the "The mother of Russian cities" and the cradle of the Rus civilization. It's a complex relationship to be sure, but Russia's largest trading partner in the world is Ukraine. That puts Ukraine firmly into Russia's national security interests. They shouldn't be mucking around in her domestic affairs, but at least Russia has a far better reason to do so than the US or the EU.
The greatest amount of tension between the two nations of late was back when it was Yushchenko and his thieving (but sexy) prime minister were in office. But both nations have the same roots in their ancestors. The US and EU?, not so much of roots as parasitic ivy.....
