Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

[AslanTheKing]

a perfect example
a young teenager form germany comes for a year to the USA,
to montana, has a great time there, starts to love your country as the country and the people mostly are
and gets shut down and killed in a garage he was in, i think he was 17 years old
i dont know the exact story, but i know that anybody in the states ( if laws allow it), can shoot down anybody if he is on your ground
sick isnt it?

a 17 year old guy is not in the mood to do harm to anybody,
he might do something stupid as teenagers do, but not a lifethreatening stupid thing
if its ok to shoot down a 17 year old teenager
it would be ok to shoot down a 5 year old neighbours boy, because he stepped on your backyard
shoot him down with a bullet on his forehead, just for fun, because the ( your) law says u can do it, what a joke

u are not better than iran
chew it down guys or change your country to something better
u have guns to defend yourselve?
what a joke
against who do you want to defend yourselve?
against the criminals?
they dont give a shit about you
they make more money than u will ever do in your lwhole ife, but they dont get that rich
because they stole your old flattv in your garage

i always said , if i would have a gun in my house
i would use it, i dont know why and when , i would just use it
and thats why i dont have a gun
people get killed in garages, people get killed in schoolshootings, killed in shoppingcenters, killings everywhere
is there something wrong in your society, living in fear all the time, is that not traumatizing?
u live in a free country, whats your problem?
i dont know the statistics about killings in usa, but i bet u have a paranoid life
if i would live in afghanistan or iraq, i would buy me a machinegun
but u live in usa
so whats your problem?

[saxitoxin]

a perfect example
a young teenager form germany comes for a year to the USA,
to montana, has a great time there, starts to love your country as the country and the people mostly are
and gets shut down and killed in a garage he was in, i think he was 17 years old
i dont know the exact story, but i know that anybody in the states ( if laws allow it), can shoot down anybody if he is on your ground
sick isnt it?

a 17 year old guy is not in the mood to do harm to anybody,
he might do something stupid as teenagers do, but not a lifethreatening stupid thing
if its ok to shoot down a 17 year old teenager
it would be ok to shoot down a 5 year old neighbours boy, because he stepped on your backyard
shoot him down with a bullet on his forehead, just for fun, because the ( your) law says u can do it, what a joke

u are not better than iran
chew it down guys or change your country to something better
u have guns to defend yourselve?
what a joke
against who do you want to defend yourselve?
against the criminals?
they dont give a shit about you
they make more money than u will ever do in your lwhole ife, but they dont get that rich
because they stole your old flattv in your garage

i always said , if i would have a gun in my house
i would use it, i dont know why and when , i would just use it
and thats why i dont have a gun
people get killed in garages, people get killed in schoolshootings, killed in shoppingcenters, killings everywhere
is there something wrong in your society, living in fear all the time, is that not traumatizing?
u live in a free country, whats your problem?
i dont know the statistics about killings in usa, but i bet u have a paranoid life
if i would live in afghanistan or iraq, i would buy me a machinegun
but u live in usa
so whats your problem?

I predict fewer houses in Montana will get broken into by Germans next year.

[saxitoxin]

Here he is on the security camera. He should have worn a glow-in-the-dark sign around his neck that said "Attention homeowner! I am 17 years old and an exchange student engaged in youthful tomfoolery, not a 45 year-old rapist here to assfuck your kinder and steal your car."

[AslanTheKing]

bullshit

[AslanTheKing]

i will read every newspaper tomorrow to see how many teenagers, kids, students have been shot down, just for fun
what a stupid reply, on the other side i can tell you how many could have been shot down in your coúntry of at least 150 millions living

100 teenagers, cause they did something stupid
lets see if i can read this tomorrow, just going by statistics
( why did the shooter not call the police? in a little town they would have been there in 2 minutes)
you guys have a problem, go on , and shoot yourselves and your neighbours kids,
and start carrying your guns when u go to work and shoot down your collegues,
shoot everybody, i willl take a plane and visit you for some shooting tourism, guns for all,
if u want guns, then guns for all
every indian should have a gun carrying it with him all day long, every mexican, every afroamerican
every foreigner in the usa should have a gun, have fun guys, long live usa

[saxitoxin]

( why did the shooter not call the police? in a little town they would have been there in 2 minutes)

I haven't really followed this too closely, so I don't know where it happened, and these comments may not be appropriate to the situation.

However, there are 2 people per square kilometer in Montana, compared to 235 in Germany. Montana is 5 times the size of Hesse but with only 10% of the population. There are parts of the U.S. where, if you're being victimized by criminals, you're on your own because the police are hours, or even days away (days in parts of Alaska's Unorganized Borough, where a local government has yet to be established). This isn't the Gendarmenmarkt where you can whistle and 10 police will be there in 30 seconds.

[AslanTheKing]

i dont know the name of that town, i dont know if it was a dangerous area, i have no idea what happened there,
honestly, i understand the meaning of selfdefence, but this does not look to me like selfdefence,
you dont shoot people down like that, because if everybody starts doing that
welcome in hell, have a good life, u have to trust in people somehow,
otherwise you live constantly in fear
is that what u want? do you live in constant fear?
paranoia, brainwashed, sick, i cant explain it
i cant defend that guy either, what the hell is he doing in a strangers garage? after midnight with 17 years
but killing him is not the right thing either, not in this case
so taking advantage of someones wrongdoing does not defend the wrong doing itselve, its the same shit
still, u guys have a problem, a big one, better u all buy a gun.......no buy a nuclear weapon, just to be on the save side

[saxitoxin]

Again, all I can say is that, given this is Montana where life is - by necessity - 1000% different than anyplace in Germany, I'm inclined to reserve judgement.

There are sparsely settled places in the world where your average Karstadt-shopping, McDonald's eating, Volkswagen Golf-driving, German tourist should just not go. Montana might be one of those places. I recommend fragile European holidaymakers book their travel from an experienced travel agent. Say "I want to see the real USA!" and they will smile politely and book you 3 days at an all-inclusive resort at Disneyworld, with a bus trip to the local shopping centre, and followed by a guided fan-boat trip through a small portion of the Everglades where the alligators have had their jaws taped shut. You will go home fat and happy thinking you are a gritty man-of-the-world who has experienced it all. If you want to see what Montana is like, subscribe to National Geographic, or PM 2dimes.

[Jmac1026]

Wait. The dude had broken into this man's house in the middle of the night? And we're supposed to be upset that the owner of the house acted in his best interest to protect himself and those he loves? How was he supposed to know whether this kid was just an asshole prankster or the Grapist, come to Grape his children and wife in the mouth??

"Excuse me sir, are you here to rape, kill, and dismember my family, possibly not in that order? Could you hold on so I may inquire with the police department?"

What would have happened in Germany? Would the Germans just politely ask the perpetrator to wait a minute before ruining their lives? No wonder they lost all those wars!

[Jmac1026]

Now, I do think that once the homeowner had a gun, he should have made his presence known, and the fact that he had a gun. But what the hell did this kid think?? Running into Gun-Country, U.S.A., and breaking into someone's home.

[mrswdk]

People had stolen things from the homeowner's garage twice before, so he left his garage door wide open one night and waited with a gun. Prior to the shooting he had told his hairdresser that he wanted to shoot someone entering his property.

Then the kid walked into his garage and BAM BAM BAM.

[BigBallinStalin]

The problem with democracy is that the smallest one-time incident can send voters into a fit of rage.

I'm not sure about y'all, but blind rage doesn't seem that useful for making informed voting decisions.

[saxitoxin]

People had stolen things from the homeowner's garage twice before, so he left his garage door wide open one night and waited with a gun. Prior to the shooting he had told his hairdresser that he wanted to shoot someone entering his property.

Then the kid walked into his garage and BAM BAM BAM.

If this is true then the homeowner should be tried for murder. You can't go around setting Man-Traps. (My g/f, Es, does, but those are different.)

[notyou2]

The same thing happened in I believe Texas a number of years ago, except it was a Japanese exchange student of about the same age, and it was Halloween. He never broke in but came top the door wearing a mask to get candy.

[Lootifer]

Context. This thread needs it.

[saxitoxin]

The same thing happened in I believe Texas a number of years ago, except it was a Japanese exchange student of about the same age, and it was Halloween. He never broke in but came top the door wearing a mask to get candy.

Well, close. IIRC he walked into the house without knocking on the door, thinking it was a friends house. And he was wearing an elaborate costume. But the clincher was it was 3 weeks before Halloween.

So yeah, you're sitting in your living room on a fall evening and the door suddenly opens and a stranger wearing bloody clothes and a mask walks in and doesn't respond to your English-language warnings to get out ... that's usually a recipe for disaster.

[2dimes]

When you go breaking into garages you probably shouldn't do it in Missoula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/d ... -1.1782604

[Phatscotty]

i will read every newspaper tomorrow to see how many teenagers, kids, students have been shot down, just for fun
what a stupid reply, on the other side i can tell you how many could have been shot down in your coúntry of at least 150 millions living

do you know what a drug dealer is?

[saxitoxin]

When you go breaking into garages you probably shouldn't do it in Missoula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/d ... -1.1782604

Given this additional information I am switching sides and am now on Aslan's side.






BUT I WILL NEVER SUPPORT BETIKO

[ooge]

When I first starting reading this I thought it was about this incident.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pros ... l-23517042 the link to this story.also you can find the audio recording of this guy killing the two unarmed teenagers online.Having heard it my advise is don't listen to it. edit. and yes Sean Hannity likes this guy too.

[xtratabasco]

The problem with democracy is that the smallest one-time incident can send voters into a fit of rage.

I'm not sure about y'all, but blind rage doesn't seem that useful for making informed voting decisions.

we actually live in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. So your wrong and very very IGNORANT.

[mrswdk]

Is there any system in which it is impossible for a small incident to trigger mass outrage? I mean, small incidents have triggered mass outrage in China as well.

[xtratabasco]

Is there any system in which it is impossible for a small incident to trigger mass outrage? I mean, small incidents have triggered mass outrage in China as well.

Yep. google that france is gonna use them chna SWAT goons too.

in china their is lots of stuff.


I love it over there with the safety suited suicide nets, and the mobile forced abortion units, and I think about hundreds and hundreds of riots every single day. hip hip horray for it.



how much do they pay you?

[saxitoxin]

The problem with democracy is that the smallest one-time incident can send voters into a fit of rage.

I'm not sure about y'all, but blind rage doesn't seem that useful for making informed voting decisions.

we actually live in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. So your wrong and very very IGNORANT.

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