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_sabotage_ wrote:Come now Scotty, this is along the lines of people blaming China when a individual Chinese guy hacks someone's computer. Or when the Chinese point out the US's school shootings as a US thing. These were individual acts, but somehow get transposed to the general public.
_sabotage_ wrote:In the case of the crusades, it was the pope and kings. The general public can't be said to have supported it because they were ignorant of the Bible. The Bible doesn't support this. It's not Christian except that it was done by the Church who claims authority on Christianity.
But if the Columbine killers claimed authority of the opinion of American youth and quoted some of the founding fathers, it wouldn't make their position "American".
_sabotage_ wrote:Jesus clearly stated not to engage in violence and followed this up with action. Jesus clearly stated that church is wherever people meet to discuss God. Jesus clearly stated that church leaders do and would abuse their position. Jesus stated Peter, who the church claims authority from, would deny him.
But there is no money in such a Jesus, there is no power in letting people freely discuss the Bible on their own. And the Church has no authority from Jesus.
So the individual acts of some power hungry bastards taints the barrel. Just as America's actions condemn me and you and TGD, Saxi, Mets, et al, even though we might strongly disagree with them, we carry the Church's burden in the minds of the unthinking. It's easier to use base logic than to say each group of people has it's assholes but that doesn't discount all the people.
When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.
Phatscotty wrote:I was in college late teens maybe 20, but interestingly the decider was based on me completing one of the Wonders on Sid Meyer's Civilization 2.
Symmetry wrote:Didn't Bush II declare that the wars in the middle east would be a crusade?
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Didn't Bush II declare that the wars in the middle east would be a crusade?
Yea, who did he think he was, the Pope or something?
Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
The idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
If you are using it in a historical (as opposed to allegorical) context, yes. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIAThe idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
If you are using it in a historical (as opposed to allegorical) context, yes. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIAThe idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
So you feel that the blessing of the Catholic Church is the the thing that distinguishes older crusades from a modern one?
patches70 wrote:Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
If you are using it in a historical (as opposed to allegorical) context, yes. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIAThe idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
So you feel that the blessing of the Catholic Church is the the thing that distinguishes older crusades from a modern one?
Yes. There is a difference between engaging in a crusade and The Crusades. You are confusing Bush's use of crusade as a verb with the noun Crusade.
Symmetry wrote:patches70 wrote:Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
If you are using it in a historical (as opposed to allegorical) context, yes. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIAThe idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
So you feel that the blessing of the Catholic Church is the the thing that distinguishes older crusades from a modern one?
Yes. There is a difference between engaging in a crusade and The Crusades. You are confusing Bush's use of crusade as a verb with the noun Crusade.
"This Crusade. This War on Terrorism is gonna take a while". Sorry, that's a noun.
patches70 wrote:Symmetry wrote:patches70 wrote:Symmetry wrote:tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Probably he considered himself as something similar. Do you think that a crusade has to be started by the Pope?
If you are using it in a historical (as opposed to allegorical) context, yes. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIAThe idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc.
So you feel that the blessing of the Catholic Church is the the thing that distinguishes older crusades from a modern one?
Yes. There is a difference between engaging in a crusade and The Crusades. You are confusing Bush's use of crusade as a verb with the noun Crusade.
"This Crusade. This War on Terrorism is gonna take a while". Sorry, that's a noun.
Doesn't matter, you are confusing definitions.
Then watch the defensive battles of the crusades to reclaim the Holy Land.
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Symmetry wrote:
If it didn't matter, why did you propose it as an argument, and delete the evidence in my post supporting my counter-argument?
tzor wrote:Yea, who did he think he was, the Pope or something?
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