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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:28 am

I disagree with Mookie on this point:

Fast food business won't close JP


Evidence:
In general, increasing the federal minimum wage would raise the earnings and family income of most low-wage workers and thus lift some families out of poverty—but doing so would cause other low-wage workers to become jobless, and their family income would fall.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55681

Some examples of businesses that closed as a result:
Fast food restaurants close following minimum wage hike
California’s new minimum wage law has caused the Fosters Freeze in Lemoore to close its doors.
Daniel Gligich
BY
DANIEL GLIGICH
APRIL 3, 2024
Multiple fast food restaurants in the Central Valley have shut down after the $20 minimum wage law took effect this week.

According to reports, a Fosters Freeze in Lemoore and five Mod Pizza locations in California have shuttered.

https://sjvsun.com/business/fast-food-restaurants-close-following-minimum-wage-hike/

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https://nypost.com/2024/04/04/business/mod-pizza-closes-5-california-locations-as-minimum-wage-law-takes-effect/
Mod Pizza closes 5 California locations as $20-an-hour minimum wage law takes effect
By Social Links forAriel Zilber
Published April 4, 2024,

A popular West Coast pizza chain shuttered five of its California locations shortly before the state enacted its new minimum wage law this month that raises fast-food workers’ pay from $16 an hour to $20.

Mod Pizza — which has 500 locations across the US and Canada and has been dubbed “the Chipotle of pizza” — abruptly closed up shop at its location in Clovis, near Fresno, two weeks ago, according to former employees.

“It just kind of seemed like the right timing, two weeks before all of the fast food locations in California got that increase that we closed,” one fired worker, who was among 15 that were let go, told Fox 26 TV on Tuesday.

Management never explicitly gave a reason for the closure, but workers suspect that the minimum wage law played a role.

The locations of the other four Mod Pizza franchises in California that were recently shuttered were not available.


and more:

LOCAL NEWS
Small businesses concerned over new $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers
sacramento
By Madisen Keavy

April 1, 2024 / 10:20 PM PDT / CBS Sacramento
(...)
"Real-world impacts are already being seen across the business model in California. Businesses are potentially looking at reducing hours, laying off employees," said Jeff Hanscom, the vice president of the International Franchise Association.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/small-businesses-concerns-over-new-minimum-wage-paid-by-california-fast-food-chains/

Cons of Raising Minimum Wage
Among the disadvantages of increasing the minimum wage is the probable consequence of businesses increasing prices, thus fueling inflation.

Opponents argue that raising the minimum wage would likely result in wages and salaries increasing across the board, thereby substantially increasing operating expenses for companies that would then increase the prices of products and services to cover their increased labor costs.
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Increased prices mean a general increase in the cost of living that could essentially negate any advantage gained by workers having more dollars in their pockets. (...)

The same 2022 study mentioned above by the Congressional Budget Office also analyzed how higher wages may result in the elimination of roles. By 2027, the CBO estimated that up to 1.6 million jobs would be lost. By 2032, this would increase to 1.9 million lost jobs.
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Congressional Budget Office. "How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income." (...)
The Bottom Line
Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour is a policy goal for many lawmakers. Increasing the minimum wage is expected to lift individuals out of poverty and improve work ethic, however, it also comes with many possible negative implications, such as inflation and a loss of jobs.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/what-are-pros-and-cons-raising-minimum-wage.asp#:~:text=Increasing%20the%20minimum%20wage%20is%20expected%20to%20lift%20individuals%20out,%22State%20Minimum%20Wage%20Laws.%22

at least fast-food workers will win, right? Not necessarily. McDonald’s is also looking to improve productivity to cut down costs in response to this move, and the clearest way to do so would be to continue automating restaurants with kiosks that allow customers to order quickly and efficiently. That means less of a need for employees, which means less of a need for some employees’ jobs.

And, of course, even the ones who hold on to their jobs will see their purchasing power diminish as California drives up the cost of just about everything with artificial wage limits and a wealth of regulations that drive up costs for businesses. Does anyone really win here, other than corporate leaders at McDonald’s and California Democratic politicians who peacock around, claiming they are fighting for the working man?

This is how every massive minimum wage hike works, especially in California, where the ever-rising cost of living is driving low- and middle-class families out of the state. California just made millions of people’s lives harder and celebrated it as a win because California Democrats have no understanding of basic economics and don’t care whether their residents are actually benefiting from these policies or not.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2454403/californias-latest-minimum-wage-hike-is-already-making-things-worse/

More than likely, the businesses that already closed were marginally profitable. This wage increase was the "last straw." Many small businesses will struggle as a result of this CA wage increase. Big corporations, like Chipotle and McDonald’s, can handle the stresses more easily and this too will negatviely impact much smaller businesses.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby KoolBak on Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:12 am

I'm curious why you're using McDonald's as a "big corporate" example. You know that over 95% of their locations are franchisees?

Don't know shit about Cali but here in Oregon, min wage employers literally can't find workers (in urban environments). Unbelievable that kids just don't want to work. Another function of society going to hell in a hand basket :lol: Probably due to their terrible parents (that were also raised badly) that make up all the asenine drivers on the road. [/rant]
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:57 am

All the local McDonalds advertise starting at $14+ an hour, managers $18, but minimum wage in Texas is $7.25. I think minimum wage is generally for waitresses and we are encouraged to tip 15%.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:20 am

The sky is falling!

Wage increases for the peasants???

My God! Why are we always inflicting pain on our aristocrats?
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:06 pm

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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:39 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
In general, increasing the federal minimum wage would raise the earnings and family income of most low-wage workers and thus lift some families out of poverty—but doing so would cause other low-wage workers to become jobless, and their family income would fall.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55681


3.8% unemployment, they can go find a better paying job.

jusplay4fun wrote:Some examples of businesses that closed as a result:

According to reports, a Fosters Freeze in Lemoore and five Mod Pizza locations in California have shuttered.

https://sjvsun.com/business/fast-food-restaurants-close-following-minimum-wage-hike/


So you're argument is 6 fast food restaurants in a state where the population is 40 million people are closing... 'maybe' because of a $4 increase in pay? I can live with that if it means 500,000 people can now afford to pay their rent. These restaurants had the option to raise prices, they chose to close. How long til a new business opens up at these 6 locations under a different brand and starts employing people again? 1month? 3 months?



The same 2022 study mentioned above by the Congressional Budget Office also analyzed how higher wages may result in the elimination of roles. By 2027, the CBO estimated that up to 1.6 million jobs would be lost. By 2032, this would increase to 1.9 million lost jobs.

This has nothing to do w/CA since it's minimum wage is already 2.5x the federal minimum wage.

at least fast-food workers will win, right? Not necessarily. McDonald’s is also looking to improve productivity to cut down costs in response to this move, and the clearest way to do so would be to continue automating restaurants with kiosks that allow customers to order quickly and efficiently. That means less of a need for employees, which means less of a need for some employees’ jobs.

And, of course, even the ones who hold on to their jobs will see their purchasing power diminish as California drives up the cost of just about everything with artificial wage limits and a wealth of regulations that drive up costs for businesses. Does anyone really win here, other than corporate leaders at McDonald’s and California Democratic politicians who peacock around, claiming they are fighting for the working man?

This is how every massive minimum wage hike works, especially in California, where the ever-rising cost of living is driving low- and middle-class families out of the state. California just made millions of people’s lives harder and celebrated it as a win because California Democrats have no understanding of basic economics and don’t care whether their residents are actually benefiting from these policies or not.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2454403/californias-latest-minimum-wage-hike-is-already-making-things-worse/

More than likely, the businesses that already closed were marginally profitable. This wage increase was the "last straw." Many small businesses will struggle as a result of this CA wage increase. Big corporations, like Chipotle and McDonald’s, can handle the stresses more easily and this too will negatviely impact much smaller businesses.


Good for McDonalds! Again this is the best market in which to find a job in 20 years, just because mcdonalds employs 1 less cashier doesn't mean that cashier is going to be jobless forever. Maybe they can take a cashier job at the amazon grocery stores that are discontinuing their 'just walk out with what you want' system.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:04 pm

Minimum wages never kept up with inflation in over 40 years. Meanwhile the billionaires have seen their income skyrocket during this time. Not to mention that their tax rates have been lowered.

Time to respect the American worker and give them the payback that they deserve. I don't see the rich fat cats personally breaking their backs building homes, infrastructures and farming.

Give the working poor a fighting chance to take care of their families without the need to beg for food stamps to eat.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:26 pm

In my lifetime per capita GDP has quadrupled. (In real terms, constant dollar.)

Not one fucking penny of that has gone to the blue collar worker. Every cent has gone to increase the profits of Head Office. The working man of today is less likely to own his own home than his parents were, less likely to be able to retire at a standard retirement age, less likely to ever be debt free.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:33 pm

Right on point Duk.

Meanwhile....Republicans want to raid Social Security and Medicare. The life line for retirees.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:29 am

Pack Rat wrote:Right on point Duk.

Meanwhile....Republicans want to raid Social Security and Medicare. The life line for retirees.


More LIES by the p-rat. SIMPLE:

For Social Security, the budget endorses "modest adjustments to the retirement age for future retirees to account for increases in life expectancy." It calls for lowering benefits for the highest-earning beneficiaries. And it emphasizes that those ideas are not designed to take effect immediately: "The RSC Budget does not cut or delay retirement benefits for any senior in or near retirement."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republican-budget-raise-age-retirement-social-security-medicare-rcna144341

I quote truth from reputable websites and sources; p-rat quotes lies, obfuscations, AND NO sources. NOTE: "highest-earning beneficiaries" do not use Social Security as a lifeline.

Something needs to be done to keep Social Security available for those who need it for their lifeline. It will be insolvent in some 17 years.

The Social Security Board of Trustees now estimates that based on current law, in 2041, the Trust Funds will be depleted.

https://www.ssa.gov/newsletter/Statement%20Insert%2025+.pdf
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby KoolBak on Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:56 am

Nobody takes what he/she posts seriously.

When one simply posts bile, hatred and one-sided rhetoric, one precludes oneself from reality.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:31 am

Oh....the deep thoughts from the simpleton. As usual thanks for your kind and generous words.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:35 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
Pack Rat wrote:Right on point Duk.

Meanwhile....Republicans want to raid Social Security and Medicare. The life line for retirees.


More LIES by the p-rat. SIMPLE:

For Social Security, the budget endorses "modest adjustments to the retirement age for future retirees to account for increases in life expectancy." It calls for lowering benefits for the highest-earning beneficiaries. And it emphasizes that those ideas are not designed to take effect immediately: "The RSC Budget does not cut or delay retirement benefits for any senior in or near retirement."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republican-budget-raise-age-retirement-social-security-medicare-rcna144341

I quote truth from reputable websites and sources; p-rat quotes lies, obfuscations, AND NO sources. NOTE: "highest-earning beneficiaries" do not use Social Security as a lifeline.

Something needs to be done to keep Social Security available for those who need it for their lifeline. It will be insolvent in some 17 years.

The Social Security Board of Trustees now estimates that based on current law, in 2041, the Trust Funds will be depleted.

https://www.ssa.gov/newsletter/Statement%20Insert%2025+.pdf


Lies!

Wow! That was easy.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:47 am

Republicans want too raise the age of retirement again! Won't be long before the retirees get to be crippled and suffering from dementia before they can enjoy their golden years.

Just ask any construction worker who busted his tail for 30 plus years with arthritis that he may have to wait until he's 70 years old to retire. How about Medicare?

Here's a fair deal, eliminate the cap on Social Security contributions. Social Security is fixed!

Wall Street has been whispering in the ears of Republicans for years, "Give us the trillions of dollars from Social Security"

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTgPR5y/
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:08 pm

It was THAT easy. More of the same from P-athetic irRATional p-rat. Try a REAL refutation. You again demonstrate your ignorance. SAD, very sad, p-rat. tik-tok? that is the BEST you can do? MORE pitiful junk.

btw: ever hear of Medicaid? Ever hear of Supplemental Security Income (SSI)? Apparently NOT.

Supplemental Security Income
SSI provides monthly payments to people with disabilities and older adults who have little or no income or resources.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_aX36diwhQMVA0xHAR3dfg0WEAAYASAAEgKqZfD_BwE

Medicaid
Medicaid is a joint federal and state program that gives health coverage to some people with limited income and resources.

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/medicare-and-medicaid/index.html#:~:text=Medicare%20is%20federal%20health%20insurance,with%20limited%20income%20and%20resources.

Who’s eligible for Medicaid?
You may qualify for free or low-cost health care through Medicaid based on your income and family size. Eligibility rules differ among states.

In all states, Medicaid gives health coverage to some individuals and families, including children, parents, people who are pregnant, elderly people with certain incomes, and people with disabilities. Some states have expanded their Medicaid programs to cover other adults below a certain income level.

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/medicare-and-medicaid/who-is-eligible-for-medicaid/index.html
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:26 pm

Don't be such a child...it's the same old, same old name calling.

You just can't or won't play nice...and you wonder why you are always picked last for competitive sports. When was the last time you had a buddy invite you to have a beer at your local dive bar?

At least you have karel and ConfederateSS on your dream team of alternative truths.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:27 pm

By the way...excellent copy/paste, as usual.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:52 pm

Pack Rat wrote:Republicans want too raise the age of retirement again! Won't be long before the retirees get to be crippled and suffering from dementia before they can enjoy their golden years.

Just ask any construction worker who busted his tail for 30 plus years with arthritis that he may have to wait until he's 70 years old to retire. How about Medicare?

Here's a fair deal, eliminate the cap on Social Security contributions. Social Security is fixed!

Wall Street has been whispering in the ears of Republicans for years, "Give us the trillions of dollars from Social Security"

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTgPR5y/


There are programs in place to take care of those IN REAL NEED. Please read my posts of FACTS.

It is not name calling when I point out your LIES, obfuscation, your LACK of knowledge of the world, and your PATHETIC "refutations." You continue to post lies and innuedoes and I point out these things. So it is NOT NAMING calling; I tell the truth. You, p-rat, are IGNORANT of many things, especially of economics. I am sorry if your feelings are hurt. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you can't tell the truth, stop posting tik-tok videos. If you do not know, avoid showing your ignorance.

You state OBVIOUS LIES about Social Security and I point out your lies. SIMPLE, easy, done with FACTS that I find and POST the truth from THE SOCIAL SECURITY Administration. You post red herrings since you cannot argue FACTS.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:42 pm

Well said my autistic friend. We can always count on your well thought out posts.

By the way, Saxi wants you to make him a sandwich. That other poster refused and Saxi expelled him from this forum! Fall in line or face the consequences under his leadership. Oh and start praising Putin, otherwise you may fall out a window.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:36 pm

KoolBak wrote:Nobody takes what he/she posts seriously.



It doesn't seem right pointing fingers at Ralf here Koolbak, I'm not sure he/she has even posted in this thread yet.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby KoolBak on Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:08 am

:lol:

mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Nobody takes what he/she posts seriously.



It doesn't seem right pointing fingers at Ralf here Koolbak, I'm not sure he/she has even posted in this thread yet.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:05 pm

Despite the claims of Biden, his economic policies ("Bidenomics") is NOT fixing the INFLATION problem.

Inflation keeps coming in hot, likely delaying interest rate cuts

Inflation ticked up again in March compared with the year before — in yet another sign that the economy doesn’t need high interest rates to come down any time soon.

Fresh data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Wednesday showed prices rose 3.5 percent from March 2023 to March 2024. That’s up slightly from the 3.2 percent annual figure notched in February. Prices also rose 0.4 percent between February and March.

The result: The Federal Reserve is very unlikely to cut interest rates in the next few months. Officials have been looking for a bit more assurance that inflation is steadily falling before deciding it’s time to trim borrowing costs. But since the start of the year, the data has brought unwanted surprises, with economists and the markets now expecting no cuts until later in 2024.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/inflation-keeps-coming-in-hot-likely-delaying-interest-rate-cuts/ar-BB1loddx?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=31fa57372e0a4bd7c80cf024946e96d0&ei=15
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:44 am

Why many Americans do not benefit from "Bidenomics"

Why Americans May Not Agree on the Economy

Michael Collins — CFA, founder and CEO of WinCap Financial — explained that there are a few potential reasons why Americans may still be feeling the pinch despite a strong economy.

“One factor could be the lag time between economic growth and its effects on individual households,” said Collins. “While the economy may be improving overall, it can take time for those benefits to trickle down to everyday Americans.”

Collins added that this could be due to a variety of factors such as wage stagnation, rising housing costs and increasing healthcare expenses.

In addition, while inflation has waned compared to a year ago, it does not erase the cumulative impact past inflation caused.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/karine-jean-pierre-says-the-economy-is-going-in-the-right-direction-but-why-don-t-americans-feel-it-in-their-wallets/ar-BB1lp4CW?cvid=506e61cc68d34c93b035e46fc1643c73&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=13

and MORE:
“Americans don’t necessarily think about that every day — whereas every time they fill up at the pump, or buy eggs and milk at the market, or eat a meal out even at a fast-food restaurant, they are reminded of these pockets of inflation that are persistent,” he said.

(...)
Inflation
In terms of specific areas that may be causing financial strain for consumers, food and gas prices in particular have been steadily increasing in recent months.


“This can be attributed to a variety of factors such as global market fluctuations, weather events impacting crops and production, and political instability in key oil-producing countries,” said WinCap’s Collins.

Shelter costs, including rent and mortgage payments, continue to rise in many parts of the country, making it difficult for individuals and families to find affordable housing.
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