Trump's Trials (4 in all, April 2024)

[jusplay4fun]

Deal with the FACTS, p-rat, and do not offer more silly opinions that are NOT supported by ANYTHING rational.

[Dukasaur]

I have heard allegations of crimes by Trump. I am not sure anyone has produced evidence of actual criminal behavior and actions. Even the one he was convicted of was merely civil (not criminal) and the standards for evidence and what constitutes guilt is set at a much lower standard. One of the more compelling matters of which I am aware is where investors lost money in a deal orchestrated by Trump. Investors know that that deal was a RISK, so no one sued him for crimes.

I suspect that Trump is guilty of shady deals; how else does one do real estate deals in NYC? Do those deals rise to the level of criminal behavior? Show me the evidence.

"How else does one win except by cheating?" is a self-serving line often used by cheaters. News Flash: It is possible to make good money in real estate while behaving ethically. There are honest businessmen and there are crooked businessmen, and I've seen both kinds do well.

As far as evidence. A lot has been well-buried (because Trump does spend a lot of money on fixers) but tons is still available. I've you've chosen to ignore it for the last 15 or 20 years, that's your lookout.

More than 3500 lawsuits have been filed by contractors on various Trump projects that have not been paid. And that's just the tip of the iceberg: as was explained in a very well researched article (which I DID post a link for at the time) non-payment is a successful strategy which is basically Standard Operating Procedure for the Trump Empire. It depends on an unfortunate quirk of your legal system. The U.S. is the only major industrialized country where legal costs are not automatically awarded to a contractor who has to sue to get his money. In any other country in the Western world, when you have to sue someone to pay their bill, you are automatically awarded costs, but in the U.S., costs are only awarded in a limited and restrictive set of circumstances. Thus, many contractors who get ripped off decide that going to court is not worth it and absorb the loss. So the 3500 people who have had to sue Trump to get paid for their work is probably a tiny fraction of some larger set whom he has ripped off.

More than 170 students ripped off by Trump "University" filed affidavits at the time, and thousands more signed up for the class action suit. Many (maybe all?) of these were viewable online at the time when the cases were before the courts. I read a few, which were at the team easy to find online. Now it's been nine years and they no longer come to the top of a Google search. I work for a living; I'm not going to spend my whole afternoon digging up reading material for you to ignore. The affidavits were easy to find at the time. If you cared to, you would have read some.

In sheer dollar value, of course, the 2.5 million he backdoored from the casino is his largest fraud to date. (That's not counting the $12 million that he paid himself in "legitimate" salaries while bankrupting the casinos. If you take a more radical position and say that an executive should not get salary increases while driving a business into the ground, the $2.5 million he backdoored gets closer to $15 million in total rake-off.) Since Chris Christie was governor of New Jersey at the time and was on the Trump payroll, he blocked any official investigation of the crimes. Unfortunately, therefore, none of it ever saw a public courtroom and probably never will. Quite a few investigative journalists did good work digging up the evidence, but of course without the power of the law to execute search warrants the case cannot be conclusively proven. So yes, you can feel free to put your fingers in your ears and pretend you don't believe that the casinos were bankrupted through some confluence of forces beyond their control (even while neighbouring casinos made tons of money during the same period.)

There are literally thousands of court cases with tens of thousands of affidavits and documentary exhibits proving that Trump is one of the greatest frauds who ever lived. If you've been ignoring them for the last 20 years, I don't think I'll persuade you to suddenly start paying attention now. It's really sad that the only things he's actually being prosecuted for are nickel-and-dime crimes like the Stormy Daniels payoff and the fact that he stole some classified documents to show his buddies. But if that's the best that can be done, I suppose it's better than nothing.

[pmac666]

And we wonder if the Justice system is weaponized against Trump? That Democrats have launched AT LEAST 4 more trials against Trump, at the same time, BEFORE the November Election?

Considering how many thousands of crimes he has committed in his life, the fact that a few dozen are finally being prosecuted seems to me like "a day late and a dollar short". He should have been in jail by 2015 at the latest.

I'll grant you that the 2024 election is the reason some of these prosecutors have finally woken from their long slumber and started doing their jobs.

Also it was NOT launched by "the democrats", that was the DOJ. And its always kinda before an election.....
And whining all day about how rigged everything is(you sound like Trump himself) is not exatly "let it play out".
Curious about "the accepting the result" part should he be convicted. Guess i know....lol

A little help.
The DOJ is not "the democrats"
The grand jury is not "the democrats".
The judge is not "the democrats".
The jury in this trial is not "the democrats".
(And it wasnt "the democrats" who fired Catherine Herridge.)

If your not happy with things are running you have to vote for someone who wants to change that system. Maybe you find someone who only wants republicans in the DOJ, as grand jury and as judges for republican thugs (and everyone else i guess). Thats the beauty of democracy even when it sounds a wee bit fascist to me.

Corrections for p-mac, as you are the one who needs HELP:
DOJ is run by Biden Appointees and are THEREFORE Democrats.
The judge gave money to Biden; he is a Democrat.
The jury is from a pool of people who voted 85% for Biden and the most likely Trump voter was excluded. THUS they too are Democrats, at least by a huge majority.
The Grand Jury (and I have served on BOTH in my area) are from the same pool of people AND are likely Democrats, too.

p-mac is 0-4. He struck out of these arguments, as he apparently does not understand:
1) the American judicial system,
2) voting blocks in New York City.
3) You failed to mention that DA Bragg is a Democrat.
$) And pmac was confused about New York State vs. New York City (NYC), as documented earlier.

Please get your facts straight b efore attemping to argue such matters. Here is some HELP for you, pmac:

Alvin Bragg Jr. (Democratic Party) is the Manhattan District Attorney in New York. He assumed office on January 1, 2022. His current term ends on January 1, 2026.

Bragg (Democratic Party) ran for election for Manhattan District Attorney in New York. He won in the general election on November 2, 2021.

https://ballotpedia.org/Alvin_Bragg_Jr.#:~:text=(Democratic%20Party)%20is%20the%20Manhattan,office%20on%20January%201%2C%202022.

more help for pmac:

Source: CNN
CNN
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Judge Juan Merchan, the judge overseeing Donald Trump’s criminal case in New York, donated $35 in political contributions to Democrats in 2020, including a $15 contribution to the campaign of Trump’s opponent, President Joe Biden.

The political donations are undoubtedly small, but they nevertheless raise questions about Merchan’s impartiality as he has come under attack by the former president as a “Trump-hating judge.”
“While the amounts here are minimal, it’s surprising that a sitting judge would make political donations of any size to a partisan candidate or cause,” said Elie Honig, a senior CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor.

According to federal election records, Merchan made the three donations in July 2020 through ActBlue, an online fundraising platform for Democratic candidates and causes.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/judge-merchan-trump-biden-contribution/index.html

Its still not "the democrats".
Otherwise we could say judge Cannon in Miami is "the republicans" or "the republicans" fired Tucker Carlson. Do you get how silly this sounds?
Are you sure you never came too close to RFK jr and caught his brain worm?

[jusplay4fun]

pmac is the Silly One who does not understand American Politics nor the American Judicial System. Debate OVER.

[jusplay4fun]

I have heard allegations of crimes by Trump. I am not sure anyone has produced evidence of actual criminal behavior and actions. Even the one he was convicted of was merely civil (not criminal) and the standards for evidence and what constitutes guilt is set at a much lower standard. One of the more compelling matters of which I am aware is where investors lost money in a deal orchestrated by Trump. Investors know that that deal was a RISK, so no one sued him for crimes.

I suspect that Trump is guilty of shady deals; how else does one do real estate deals in NYC? Do those deals rise to the level of criminal behavior? Show me the evidence.

"How else does one win except by cheating?" is a self-serving line often used by cheaters. News Flash: It is possible to make good money in real estate while behaving ethically. There are honest businessmen and there are crooked businessmen, and I've seen both kinds do well.

As far as evidence. A lot has been well-buried (because Trump does spend a lot of money on fixers) but tons is still available. I've you've chosen to ignore it for the last 15 or 20 years, that's your lookout.

More than 3500 lawsuits have been filed by contractors on various Trump projects that have not been paid. And that's just the tip of the iceberg: as was explained in a very well researched article (which I DID post a link for at the time) non-payment is a successful strategy which is basically Standard Operating Procedure for the Trump Empire. It depends on an unfortunate quirk of your legal system. The U.S. is the only major industrialized country where legal costs are not automatically awarded to a contractor who has to sue to get his money. In any other country in the Western world, when you have to sue someone to pay their bill, you are automatically awarded costs, but in the U.S., costs are only awarded in a limited and restrictive set of circumstances. Thus, many contractors who get ripped off decide that going to court is not worth it and absorb the loss. So the 3500 people who have had to sue Trump to get paid for their work is probably a tiny fraction of some larger set whom he has ripped off.

More than 170 students ripped off by Trump "University" filed affidavits at the time, and thousands more signed up for the class action suit. Many (maybe all?) of these were viewable online at the time when the cases were before the courts. I read a few, which were at the team easy to find online. Now it's been nine years and they no longer come to the top of a Google search. I work for a living; I'm not going to spend my whole afternoon digging up reading material for you to ignore. The affidavits were easy to find at the time. If you cared to, you would have read some.

In sheer dollar value, of course, the 2.5 million he backdoored from the casino is his largest fraud to date. (That's not counting the $12 million that he paid himself in "legitimate" salaries while bankrupting the casinos. If you take a more radical position and say that an executive should not get salary increases while driving a business into the ground, the $2.5 million he backdoored gets closer to $15 million in total rake-off.) Since Chris Christie was governor of New Jersey at the time and was on the Trump payroll, he blocked any official investigation of the crimes. Unfortunately, therefore, none of it ever saw a public courtroom and probably never will. Quite a few investigative journalists did good work digging up the evidence, but of course without the power of the law to execute search warrants the case cannot be conclusively proven. So yes, you can feel free to put your fingers in your ears and pretend you don't believe that the casinos were bankrupted through some confluence of forces beyond their control (even while neighbouring casinos made tons of money during the same period.)

There are literally thousands of court cases with tens of thousands of affidavits and documentary exhibits proving that Trump is one of the greatest frauds who ever lived. If you've been ignoring them for the last 20 years, I don't think I'll persuade you to suddenly start paying attention now. It's really sad that the only things he's actually being prosecuted for are nickel-and-dime crimes like the Stormy Daniels payoff and the fact that he stole some classified documents to show his buddies. But if that's the best that can be done, I suppose it's better than nothing.

Such are allegations, largely unproven. I understand Trump may have likely buried lots of evidence. Further, Trump has probably done "sleazy" business deals (which may border on illegal, and are LIKELY highly unethical).

Again, I wish someone else other than BOTH Biden AND Trump were running for POTUS. I have no say in that and LITTLE in the outcome. And voting for RFK, Jr. is a wasted vote.

[mookiemcgee]

There is a 3rd candidate however worms ate his brain... oh and there's jill stein lol

[pmac666]

pmac is the Silly One who does not understand American Politics nor the American Judicial System. Debate OVER.

What a shame lol.
Just now that i start to think that its you who has only little knowledge about that justice thingy.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I am THE worlds GREATEST human being. NO ONE can challenge my MAGNIFICENCE! BEHOLD my randomly CAPITALIZED words!

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[jusplay4fun]

How Stormy Daniels’s Sordid Testimony Could Help Trump

Stormy Daniels’s two days of testimony in Donald Trump’s hush-money trial added graphic details and unexpected wrinkles to the proceedings—and might have given the former president new avenues for challenging any conviction.

The porn star didn’t hold back in testifying about her alleged sexual encounter in 2006 with the former president, often prompted by questions from prosecutors: “Did you touch his skin?” “Was he wearing a condom?” “Do you recall how it ended, the sex?” “Was it brief?” (...)

Other times Daniels offered sexual details beyond what she was asked, and Trump’s lawyers raised several objections that were sustained by the presiding judge, Justice Juan Merchan. Trump denies the affair. He audibly cursed at times during the testimony, according to Merchan, who asked Trump’s lawyers to quiet him down.

If jurors find the adult-film actress credible, her appearance could boost the prosecution’s narrative that Trump went to great lengths to buy her silence in the final days of his 2016 presidential campaign. But if Trump is convicted, some legal observers said his team could argue on appeal that her testimony was prejudicial because it painted Trump in a bad light on sexual matters that had little to do with the charges: that he falsified records to cover up a payment to Daniels.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-stormy-daniels-s-sordid-testimony-could-help-trump/ar-BB1mcQaf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=a0a99f5779b3421a9dc09e51680badf8&ei=22

The testimony of Cohen will be pivotal as he is the one person who can connect some of the dots in this case. NO DOUBT that his crediblity will be attacked by the defense lawyers. (below is from the same source)

An even bigger week in the trial begins Monday, when perhaps the most crucial witness in the case is expected to take the stand: former Trump fixer Michael Cohen, who made the payment to Daniels.

[GaryDenton]

Anyone who does not realize that Trump is a serial liar and constant crook who is not being persecuted but is finally getting long-delayed days in courts has their own brain worms.

[Pack Rat]

[jusplay4fun]

This basically summarizes what I have said about the NYC case:

A jury of level-headed Manhattanites would appreciate these facts that verify the profound vacuity and fundamental unfairness of District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s "case" against Trump:

An April 25, 2023, US Justice Department Memorandum of Understanding with the Federal Election Commission leaves Bragg powerless to prosecute this matter. "The Department has exclusive jurisdiction over criminal enforcement of the federal campaign finance laws," the memorandum states. "The Commission has exclusive jurisdiction over civil enforcement," the memo also says. Nowhere does this federal rule grant local prosecutors authority to enforce federal election laws. Thus, Bragg’s case is a shack built atop a cloud of helium.

Bragg indicted Trump on April 4, 2023, four months after the statute of limitations expired on the corresponding Class E felonies.

Bragg skirted the statute of limitations by claiming that Trump falsified business records to commit a second violation. After three weeks of this trial, that second crime remains a mystery. (...)

Bragg claims that Trump should have paid for this private matter with campaign cash. That would have been illegal. Instead, Trump legally used his own money. Trump faces 34 counts of alleged falsification of business records because his bookkeepers posted ledger entries for checks to Cohen as "legal expenses." Would Bragg prefer false descriptions like "plumbing supplies" or "marble tiles?" Trump faces prison for reporting legal expenses as "legal expenses," which is legal.

With 48% of registered voters telling Reuters-Ipsos last month that Trump’s Kafkaesque cases are "excessive and politically motivated" (41% disagree) even a Manhattan jury could scrap Bragg’s contraption.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ny-vs-trump-my-experience-as-an-nyc-juror-leads-me-to-believe-the-unthinkable-could-happen/ar-BB1mps4z?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=9cda3c551e064882abde137f62b8924c&ei=34

Add to all this that Bragg campaigned for his DA job on the promise to "get Trump."

There is NO CASE here; this is purely political attack on Trump, disgused as a legal "case."

Trump may have done illegal things; this is NOT a case to demonstrate any such illegalities or criminal acts.

[GaryDenton]

Laughing at you.

[GaryDenton]

JustPlay4Fun

A jury of level-headed Manhattanites would appreciate these facts that verify the profound vacuity and fundamental unfairness of District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s "case" against Trump:

Wow, so you agree with an emeritus Media Fellow with the Federalist Society, a columnist for the National Review, and a contributor to Fox News.

Who would ever have guessed?

https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/deroy-murdock

This was a typical Fox News Article. Nuff said.

[jusplay4fun]

JustPlay4Fun

A jury of level-headed Manhattanites would appreciate these facts that verify the profound vacuity and fundamental unfairness of District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s "case" against Trump:

Wow, so you agree with an emeritus Media Fellow with the Federalist Society, a columnist for the National Review, and a contributor to Fox News.

Who would ever have guessed?

https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/deroy-murdock

This was a typical Fox News Article. Nuff said.

and...?

The verdict and the appeals are not over. There is NO case, no Crime. What is NEW? Just your vacuous analysis. The source by itself does not make that analysis not truthful. Your "analysis" is Soooo DISMISSIVE, so full of holes.

[Pack Rat]

[pmac666]

Shame Justplayformaga has different standards.
For Trump, who might have or might have not done illegal things the line is conviction.

For uncle Joe are feelings enough tho. There he doesnt need any shed of evidence. Like a conviction in the E. Jean Carrol case, or that Trumps organisation was founded guilty of 17 different fraud charges, or that he defrauded lotta ppl with his Trump U and a childrens charity cancer fund.
But yeah Joe is old and very very corrupt according to James Comers, Gym Jordans, Marj 3Toes and Justplayformagas feelings.

Marj btw: "People are looking at republicans in Washington and laughing at us. They think we are a complete joke"
What a amazing broken clock moment.

[pmac666]

Lauren Bobert is cheerleading at the trial today.
Always good having a pro giving a hand to a dick.

[jusplay4fun]

Bad news for the Trump-haters:

Michael Cohen Suffered 'Dramatic Implosion' on Witness Stand—Legal Analyst

Jury members in Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial are being "treated like chumps," says legal analyst Jonathan Turley. He also believes star prosecution witness Michael Cohen suffered a "dramatic implosion" on Thursday.

Turley, who is a frequent Fox commentator and professor at George Washington University Law School, expresses extreme doubt in a blog that the prosecution has any basis for conviction and poses the question of whether the jury "is realizing that they are being played by the prosecution."

He also says: "With the dramatic implosion of Michael Cohen on the stand on Thursday with the exposure of another alleged lie told under oath, even hosts and commentators on CNN are now criticizing the prosecution and doubting the basis for any conviction."

In an email statement to Newsweek, Turley clarifies, saying: "The Cohen testimony not only highlighted his long legacy of lies but continued claims of false statements in this very trial," adding that "Cohen left the government without a single credible witness to establish any criminal intent by Trump."

Cohen, a former Trump attorney who is now a vocal critic of the former president, is a disbarred lawyer who previously pleaded guilty to tax evasion, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress. On Monday, he testified before the prosecution, and on Tuesday and Thursday he faced cross-examination by Trump's defense team.
(...)

Other lawyers have commented on Cohen's highly-anticipated testimony, and some, like CNN legal analyst Elie Honig, share a similar sentiment to Turley, while others, like Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, disagree.

"I don't think I've ever seen a star cooperating witness get his knees chopped out quite as clearly and dramatically as what just happened with Michael Cohen," Honig said in reference to Cohen's Thursday testimony.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-cohen-suffered-dramatic-implosion-on-witness-stand-legal-analyst/ar-BB1mAjh9?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=c6fc4cc61c62430eb8ca3eb89d55fc6e&ei=6

[Dukasaur]

Quote out of context much?

From YOUR OWN ARTICLE:

"Although Todd Blanche [Trump's defense lawyer] landed some punches against Cohen, I thought the prosecution did an excellent job building up a firewall of corroboration to protect their key witness," Aronberg told Newsweek in an email.

"Yes, Cohen lied in the past and is an imperfect witness. But prior witnesses and documents from Trump himself support the core of Cohen's testimony. Nothing that happened in court yesterday changes that."

[jusplay4fun]

Quote out of context much?

From YOUR OWN ARTICLE:

"Although Todd Blanche [Trump's defense lawyer] landed some punches against Cohen, I thought the prosecution did an excellent job building up a firewall of corroboration to protect their key witness," Aronberg told Newsweek in an email.

"Yes, Cohen lied in the past and is an imperfect witness. But prior witnesses and documents from Trump himself support the core of Cohen's testimony. Nothing that happened in court yesterday changes that."

I am glad that you read. Of course there are other opinions.

And, NO, I did not quote out of context; I quoted much of the article and not a snippet.

We await the verdict and the appeals.

[jusplay4fun]

Let's summarize 3 of the 4 cases:

The NYC case brought by DA Bragg: there is an expired misdemeanor that is being packaged and peddled as a felony. For what, a bookkeeping error? That is the heart of an incredibly weak criminal case.

And this goes on while DA Bragg ignores actual violent crimes on the streets of NYC. REALLY?

And in Georgia, there is a likelihood that Fani Willis will go to jail before Trump ever will to answer for her legal misdeeds.

The documents case against Trump is overseen by a prosecutor, Jack Smith, who already has one Federal conviction overturned as actions by an overzealous attorney.

And people deny that there is the POSSIBILITY of a Democrat attempt to deny the POTUS to Trump on "trumped up" and weak legal cases? Really?

Despite Trump's personality and his business deeds (and POSSIBLE misdeeds), those are not on trial. HIS Politics are on trial. ALL this gives credence to many of the arguments that Trrump makes on the campaign trail.

[Pack Rat]

Actually crime rates have steadily gone down in New York City.

"As of 2022, New York City has a murder rate of 6.3 per 100,000. This makes the Big Apple one of the safer large cities in the country. Overall, crime rates continue to go down in New York City. New data released in late 2023 shows an overall decrease in crime — a drop of 4.1% compared to the prior year.Feb 21, 2024
https://www.tsiglerlaw.com › new-...
New York State Crime Rate by City [2024 Updated] – Latest Statistics"

https://www.tsiglerlaw.com/new-york-sta ... ior%20year.

Jusplay4MAGA, are you actually a teacher??? Is it a accredited school? Or, just some Sunday School....I have disagreed with many teachers from accredited schools (public schools), yet never came across such a pompous individual like yourself.


How old are you? Your childish rants are robotic and repetitive.

[pmac666]

Told ya, Justplayformaga desperatly needs to convince himself that voting for a ra_ist, fraudulent fascist wannabe is totally ok when the other candidate is old. 3 yrs older than the ra_ist, fraudulent fascist wannabe.....