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Postby HapSmo19 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:38 am

PHILADELPHIA/NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. brewer Anheuser-Busch Cos Inc (NYSE:BUD - News) agreed to a $50 billion takeover by Belgium-based InBev NV (Brussels:INTB.BR - News), a source familiar with the situation said on Sunday, creating the world’s largest beer maker.InBev, the maker of Stella Artois, and Budweiser-brewer Anheuser were not immediately available to comment.
The combined company will be called Anheuser-Busch InBev, said the sources, who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity. Anheuser will get seats on the new company’s board, the sources said, but it was not immediately clear how many.

Adding another dimension to any deal was Mexico’s No. 1 brewer Grupo Modelo (Mexico:GMODELOC.MX - News), which is 50 percent owned by Anheuser. The maker of Corona beer, which has the right to choose its partner, has not yet approved InBev for that role and the two brewers remain in talks, according to one person familiar with the situation.

Modelo declined to comment.


This is some of that "change you can belive in", ahead of time. When American icons start going away, it's pretty obvious that things are going bad. Very bad.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby got tonkaed on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:40 am

I was under the impression it was going to be for 52 billion. Anyway, just means you are going to be able to buy stuff other than Stella in the bar these days. Still its a pretty big size acquisition considering the size of the companies involved, even if the average consumer wouldnt know the difference.

Get used to it though, American companies are going to be bought and sold in the years to come, its rather a product of the way the world economy works.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby heavycola on Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:27 am

HapSmo19 wrote:PHILADELPHIA/NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. brewer Anheuser-Busch Cos Inc (NYSE:BUD - News) agreed to a $50 billion takeover by Belgium-based InBev NV (Brussels:INTB.BR - News), a source familiar with the situation said on Sunday, creating the world’s largest beer maker.InBev, the maker of Stella Artois, and Budweiser-brewer Anheuser were not immediately available to comment.
The combined company will be called Anheuser-Busch InBev, said the sources, who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity. Anheuser will get seats on the new company’s board, the sources said, but it was not immediately clear how many.

Adding another dimension to any deal was Mexico’s No. 1 brewer Grupo Modelo (Mexico:GMODELOC.MX - News), which is 50 percent owned by Anheuser. The maker of Corona beer, which has the right to choose its partner, has not yet approved InBev for that role and the two brewers remain in talks, according to one person familiar with the situation.

Modelo declined to comment.


This is some of that "change you can belive in", ahead of time. When American icons start going away, it's pretty obvious that things are going bad. Very bad.
Keep drinking that kool-aid, freaks. I'm sure it gives you, the brain dead, a warm and fuzzy feeling inside knowing you'll be standing in a communist bread line in two years but hey,....they'll take care of you. Count on it.


Will they stop it tasting like piss?

Why does anyone care?
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby Backglass on Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:48 am

Budweiser was BOUGHT out. They had no choice...Inbev was taking it hostile. They saw the writing on the wall and decided to at least TRY to get a decent deal. If they hadn't, InBev would have done it anyway for much less money.

Perhaps if they Busch family hadn't frittered away the family business over the last few generations, they would still have enough of an interest to hold on to it.

I certainly hope they put an end to the continuous parade of light, lighter, ultra-light, Super-Ultra-Really-Really light beer flavored water.

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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby MeDeFe on Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:09 am

The real Budweiser is from Chechya, "American icon" my ass.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby HapSmo19 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:12 pm

Backglass wrote:Perhaps if they Busch family hadn't frittered away the family business over the last few generations, they would still have enough of an interest to hold on to it.


Thats hard to imagine. What I buy alone should keep them in jet fuel.


MeDeFe wrote:The real Budweiser is from Chechya, "American icon" my ass.


A quick google search for "Chechnya Budweiser" bring up lots of bombing, torture and rebel links but nothing about Chechen Budwieser. Maybe someday, someone other than you will actually hear about "the real one".
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby MeDeFe on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:59 pm

HapSmo19 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:The real Budweiser is from Chechya, "American icon" my ass.

A quick google search for "Chechnya Budweiser" bring up lots of bombing, torture and rebel links but nothing about Chechen Budwieser. Maybe someday, someone other than you will actually hear about "the real one".

Wikipedia is your friend. Only 80 years older than that rip-off that was bought out.

I admit to part of the fault for not clarifying that it was originally in the Holy Roman Empire and in what is nowadays the Czech Republic, I did take care not to write "Chechnya" however, which would have been completely wrong.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:02 am

MeDeFe wrote:The real Budweiser is from Chechya, "American icon" my ass.

Here's how it goes: (looks like more people need to read the World Beer Review threads 8-) )
Iz Man wrote:Budweiser Budvar
Origin: Czech Republic
Style: Golden Lager
Alcohol: 5.0% ABV

ImageIn the Czech Republic, only beers from Pilsen (Plzen) may use the name of that city. While they emphasize the hop, their similar, more southerly rivals from the brewing city of Budweis (also known as České Budějovice) lean towards a light, smooth maltiness. The city, on the Moldau River, began with a monastery and in the 1200's grew as a southern stronghold of the kingdom of Bohemia. Before trademarks, any brew made there would have been described as a "Budweiser" beer. Budweiser Burgerbrau, established in 1795, made the city's first lager in 1853. That brewery still operates. Budweiser Budvar came later, in 1895. By then, the German-American brewer Adolphus Busch was already making a "Budweiser" beer. Several other U.S. brewers have in the past used the term Budweiser to describe their beers, but Busch's exclusive U.S. rights to the name were eventually established beyond doubt. The Czech Budweiser beers are more assertive in flavor than their American counterparts.
Basically, any beer brewed in the Budweis region was called a Budweiser.
Eberhard Anheuser brewed a beer he called Budweiser in 1876.
Budweiser Budvar was released in 1895, 19 years later. Which is why he won the trademark dispute that followed once the two beers started showing up in the same regions of Europe.

Like Budweiser or hate it, one must respect what AB has done with its beers produced.
Budweiser comprises 1/10th of the world market. Think about it, 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud. To brew beer on such a massive scale and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery, is astonishing. Especially when you consider yeast is a living thing. Being able to control this single cell creature to where it is producing the same by-product consistently no matter where its being brewed is amazing.

I agree with Backglass that the Busch's have let their control over the enterprise slip away, so they can blame themselves; but I can guarantee the recipe is not going to change.

Not really sure how the buyout will lead to "communist bread lines", as this is quite a capitalistic venture.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby DaGip on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:08 am

Iz Man wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:Wikipedia is your friend. Only 80 years older than that rip-off that was bought out.

Here's how it goes: (looks like more people need to read the World Beer Review threads 8-) )
Iz Man wrote:Budweiser Budvar
Origin: Czech Republic
Style: Golden Lager
Alcohol: 5.0% ABV

ImageIn the Czech Republic, only beers from Pilsen (Plzen) may use the name of that city. While they emphasize the hop, their similar, more southerly rivals from the brewing city of Budweis (also known as České Budějovice) lean towards a light, smooth maltiness. The city, on the Moldau River, began with a monastery and in the 1200's grew as a southern stronghold of the kingdom of Bohemia. Before trademarks, any brew made there would have been described as a "Budweiser" beer. Budweiser Burgerbrau, established in 1795, made the city's first lager in 1853. That brewery still operates. Budweiser Budvar came later, in 1895. By then, the German-American brewer Adolphus Busch was already making a "Budweiser" beer. Several other U.S. brewers have in the past used the term Budweiser to describe their beers, but Busch's exclusive U.S. rights to the name were eventually established beyond doubt. The Czech Budweiser beers are more assertive in flavor than their American counterparts.
Basically, any beer brewed in the Budweis region was called a Budweiser.
Eberhard Anheuser brewed a beer he called Budweiser in 1876.
Budweiser Budvar was released in 1895, 19 years later. Which is why he won the trademark dispute that followed once the two beers started showing up in the same regions of Europe.

Like Budweiser or hate it, one must respect what AB has done with its beers produced.
Budweiser comprises 1/10th of the world market. Think about it, 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud. To brew beer on such a massive scale and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery, is astonishing. Especially when you consider yeast is a living thing. Being able to control this single cell creature to where it is producing the same by-product consistently no matter where its being brewed is amazing.

I agree with Backglass that the Busch's have let their control over the enterprise slip away, so they can blame themselves; but I can guarantee the recipe is not going to change.

Not really sure how the buyout will lead to "communist bread lines", as this is quite a capitalistic venture.

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I tried one of the REAL Budweisers...and it was warm! And I puked! Tasted like liquefied skunk remains...
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby 2dimes on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:12 am

Whoa IZ, I love you but easy now. You're right on most of it except.
and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery


Budwieser brewed by Labbat is quite different from it's american counterpart. The Labbat stuff was what I used to drink before I discovered beer could be consummed for flavour as opposed to effect first time I had an american Bud it was quite a suprise.

Gip most beer in green bottles will go skunky fairly quickly and must be drank as fresh as possible.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby DaGip on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:17 am

2dimes wrote:Whoa IZ, I love you but easy now. You're right on most of it except.
and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery


Budwieser brewed by Labbat is quite different from it's american counterpart. The Labbat stuff was what I used to drink before I discovered beer could be consummed for flavour as opposed to effect first time I had an american Bud it was quite a suprise.

Gip most beer in green bottles will go skunky fairly quickly and must be drank as fresh as possible.


Yeah, it was brought back to the states by a buddy of mine in the Army. He came back home on leave from Germany, and he brought that particular Budweiser back with him. I reckon it sat around and sat around, and then he left it on the floorboard of his car...in the summertime. I was drunk in the back seat, and it rolled from under the seat. I asked him what it was, and he told me it was a REAL Budweiser from Czech. He told me I could drink it. He said it was supposed to be drunk warm. So I cracked it open and gulp gulp gurgle gurgle...ooomphf! RAAALPH!!! I immediately hurled all over his back seat. That beer was the most horrible experiences in beer drinking I have ever, or since, been introduced to. This story should be in the Puke thread.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:26 am

2dimes wrote:Whoa IZ, I love you but easy now. You're right on most of it except.
and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery


Budwieser brewed by Labbat is quite different from it's american counterpart. The Labbat stuff was what I used to drink before I discovered beer could be consummed for flavour as opposed to effect first time I had an american Bud it was quite a suprise.

Gip most beer in green bottles will go skunky fairly quickly and must be drank as fresh as possible.
I'll do some research on the Labatt brewery. If Bud brewed by them is being bottled in green bottles, then that would explain the difference in taste as prolonged exposure to light can cause a skunky, wet-cardboard type of flavor.

What I can tell you is this.
When it comes to the brewing process and Budweiser, everything is the same, worldwide.

Example: There are 4 "main" ingredients in beer: water, barley, hops, & yeast.
Obviously, there is more water in beer than anything else, consequently, the properties of one's brewing water have a huge effect on the finished product.
The chemical properties of a town's water vary from town to town.
What AB breweries do worldwide is take their brewing water and, through reverse osmosis, bring it down to nothing but H2O. Then add the precise amounts of calcium, magnesium, sulfides, etc. to match the water of St. Louis, MO exactly. So the Bud you buy is the same whether it was brewed in St. Louis, Baldwinsville, NY, or any other location worldwide.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby 2dimes on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:31 am

Not in green bottles here, I was reffering to the origional Czech stuff. I was working at the malt plant here in 1994 or so and some Anhauser guys were here appearantly at that time they sourced their malt here. I'm not sure what is diferent but it tastes very different. Probably water for one thing. The Budwieser here tastes somewhat like Blue.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:38 am

DaGip wrote:
2dimes wrote:Whoa IZ, I love you but easy now. You're right on most of it except.
and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery


Budwieser brewed by Labbat is quite different from it's american counterpart. The Labbat stuff was what I used to drink before I discovered beer could be consummed for flavour as opposed to effect first time I had an american Bud it was quite a suprise.

Gip most beer in green bottles will go skunky fairly quickly and must be drank as fresh as possible.


Yeah, it was brought back to the states by a buddy of mine in the Army. He came back home on leave from Germany, and he brought that particular Budweiser back with him. I reckon it sat around and sat around, and then he left it on the floorboard of his car...in the summertime. I was drunk in the back seat, and it rolled from under the seat. I asked him what it was, and he told me it was a REAL Budweiser from Czech. He told me I could drink it. He said it was supposed to be drunk warm. So I cracked it open and gulp gulp gurgle gurgle...ooomphf! RAAALPH!!! I immediately hurled all over his back seat. That beer was the most horrible experiences in beer drinking I have ever, or since, been introduced to. This story should be in the Puke thread.

The whole "German (or in this case, Czech) beers must be drank warm" business is quite the farce. I would ask any of our Bavarian or Bohemian CC brethren to chime in on this one.
Of course "warm" is a relative term.
Typically your lagers, pilsners, and wheat beers should be drank pretty cold (<40deg F); but a typical Belgian strong ales and such are best enjoyed at 50deg or even warmer.
(the colder the beer, the less the flavors come out, e.g. Coors Lite)

But I digress.......

Any time a beer is exposed to a lengthy travel in less than ideal conditions, the flavor will suffer. Heineken is a prime example. Marketed in green bottles for U.S. consumption, the Heinekens here taste like skunk. Completely different than what they taste like in the Netherlands.
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:45 am

Iz Man wrote:Any time a beer is exposed to a lengthy travel in less than ideal conditions, the flavor will suffer. Heineken is a prime example. Marketed in green bottles for U.S. consumption, the Heinekens here taste like skunk. Completely different than what they taste like in the Netherlands.

Yeah that's where I was going there with my green bottle chatter it's a light exposure issue I've heard.
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Postby polarbeast23 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:47 am

who is Budweiser?

Oh yes, that American disgrace of a pisswater beer. I understand that they were bought out by a Belgian company, They know ow to make beer, I think. Maybe they can improve on the shit that Anheiser-Busch put out.
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Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:52 am

polarbeast23 wrote:who is Budweiser?

Oh yes, that American disgrace of a pisswater beer. I understand that they were bought out by a Belgian company, They know ow to make beer, I think. Maybe they can improve on the shit that Anheiser-Busch put out.
Iz Man wrote:Like Budweiser or hate it, one must respect what AB has done with its beers produced.
Budweiser comprises 1/10th of the world market. Think about it, 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud. To brew beer on such a massive scale and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery, is astonishing. Especially when you consider yeast is a living thing. Being able to control this single cell creature to where it is producing the same by-product consistently no matter where its being brewed is amazing.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby polarbeast23 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:11 am

Iz Man wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Like Budweiser or hate it, one must respect what AB has done with its beers produced.
Budweiser comprises 1/10th of the world market. Think about it, 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud. To brew beer on such a massive scale and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery, is astonishing. Especially when you consider yeast is a living thing. Being able to control this single cell creature to where it is producing the same by-product consistently no matter where its being brewed is amazing.


sure... having a successful business model is grounds for applause </sarcasm>

It may be that Budweiser, like Microsoft, cut its niche marked out by using bullish tactics to promote their crappy product to stupid and witless masses. Fill the shelves with shit and price it below your competitors... and you are bound to become a success.

f*ck budweiser. I haven't drunk that swill since I knew better... high school.
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:14 am

I don't think it's ever been the least expensive.
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Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:00 pm

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Iz Man wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Like Budweiser or hate it, one must respect what AB has done with its beers produced.
Budweiser comprises 1/10th of the world market. Think about it, 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud. To brew beer on such a massive scale and maintain consistency worldwide, no matter what brewery, is astonishing. Especially when you consider yeast is a living thing. Being able to control this single cell creature to where it is producing the same by-product consistently no matter where its being brewed is amazing.

sure... having a successful business model is grounds for applause </sarcasm>

It may be that Budweiser, like Microsoft, cut its niche marked out by using bullish tactics to promote their crappy product to stupid and witless masses. Fill the shelves with shit and price it below your competitors... and you are bound to become a success.
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
I'm not praising what AB has done from a marketing standpoint, although one can't deny it has been one of the most successful in history. Do you even know how AB "cut its niche", as you say? It has nothing to do with superbowl commercials.
AB was the first to be able to bring their product across the country via refrigerated rail cars. Prior to this, breweries were local, very local. AB changed all that.

I'm just praising AB's achievements in brewing. I personally don't care for their beers, but I will give them kudos for what they've accomplished.

Oh....... and its definitely not the cheapest beer out there...
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby polarbeast23 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:13 pm

Iz Man wrote:I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
I'm not praising what AB has done from a marketing standpoint, although one can't deny it has been one of the most successful in history. Do you even know how AB "cut its niche", as you say? It has nothing to do with superbowl commercials.
AB was the first to be able to bring their product across the country via refrigerated rail cars. Prior to this, breweries were local, very local. AB changed all that.

I'm just praising AB's achievements in brewing. I personally don't care for their beers, but I will give them kudos for what they've accomplished.

Oh....... and its definitely not the cheapest beer out there...


Okay, thats fair, but to that I would say big deal. refrigerated cars aside, the global mass production of a product almost always degrades quality. Good for them for making crap and distributing it to the masses.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby Iz Man on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:24 pm

polarbeast23 wrote:Okay, thats fair, but to that I would say big deal. refrigerated cars aside, the global mass production of a product almost always degrades quality. Good for them for making crap and distributing it to the masses.
Quality is a relative term. When 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud, they're doing something right in quality, even if my (or your) palate doesn't think so.
Its a question of consistency; and because we're talking about beer, even more so.
Brewing beer on such a massive scale cannot be compared to producing mass quantities of widgets by barefoot Chinese kids.
That's what makes what AB has done a great technological achievement.
I can't make two 5 or 10 gallon batches come out exactly the same, there's always a difference, even if subtle.
AB (and the other big guns) produce a consistent product on the scale of 10's of millions of barrels.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby polarbeast23 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:25 pm

Iz Man wrote:
polarbeast23 wrote:Okay, thats fair, but to that I would say big deal. refrigerated cars aside, the global mass production of a product almost always degrades quality. Good for them for making crap and distributing it to the masses.
Quality is a relative term. When 1 out of every 10 beers drank worldwide is a Bud, they're doing something right in quality, even if my (or your) palate doesn't think so.
Its a question of consistency; and because we're talking about beer, even more so.
Brewing beer on such a massive scale cannot be compared to producing mass quantities of widgets by barefoot Chinese kids.
That's what makes what AB has done a great technological achievement.
I can't make two 5 or 10 gallon batches come out exactly the same, there's always a difference, even if subtle.
AB (and the other big guns) produce a consistent product on the scale of 10's of millions of barrels.


Their consistency involves making a low quality beer. They shoot for the lowest common denominator. Don't get me wrong... you are right. They made advancements in consistency and shipping technology, but really, I don't subscribe to the notion that this is a good thing.

support your LOCAL brewery. You should be against big beer business as your signature indicates. AB has traditionally hurt the local beer industry, no?
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby MeDeFe on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:03 pm

I'll just chime in on the "have to be drunk warm" myth. It's utter nonsense. The general consensus as far as I know it is that a beer should be drunk at a temperature between 6° and 9° Celsius.
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Re: Budweiser Sold Out

Postby HapSmo19 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:07 pm

For the record: My favorite beer is a microbrew but at about $9 per six pack it gets a bit spendy when a guy wants to throwback 30 or so every couple days. And I usually end up apologizing to everyone I know the day after I drink a case or more of micros. Budweiser is taylor made for the ditinguished, low-income alcoholic. Thanks Bud :lol:

I was under the influence of their product when I started this thread and it just seemed another sign of things to come. But if they want to go,...good riddance. There's always the High Life.
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