Is God to Blame?

[DaGip]

Should we be blaming God for all the mess the world is in? What is your feelings on this?

[Frigidus]

Should we be blaming God for all the mess the world is in? What is your feelings on this?

Assuming his existence, sure.

[black elk speaks]

god is only a force that has the power to create. it has no will or plan, all of the world's problems are based on our misinterpretation of what god is and our desire to take the "power" of god and conform it to serve our will. Just ask Sarah Palin.

[2dimes]

That's the earthly plan. So you need to choose.

1) Why does God let the baby die if he can save it? He's not good after all curse him and his churches. Who cares we evolved from the fusion anyway.

2) If only we can be tolerant, happy and religious, we don't need God we can be him. Hopefully one day everyone will be enlightened like John Lennon and Tom Cruise.

2) I can see where Satan lead us to kill the baby, I choose to repent and accept the gift of the Christ who paid for our sin. Praise God and all glory to the father who will soon enough gather us home as his adopted children through his son, the way the truth and the light.

[Spuzzell]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

[DaGip]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

The counter argument would be that God created mankind, therefore, God is still yet to blame.

[Spuzzell]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

[pimpdave]

Well we have to blame somebody.

[Snorri1234]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

To be fair, Gip has a point. God designed us, and since he's allknowing he knew shit would hit the fan.

[black elk speaks]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

To be fair, Gip has a point. God designed us, and since he's allknowing he knew shit would hit the fan.

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen. Its kinda like Gene Roddenberry knowing that there would be cellular communication devices in the future. The idea that cell phones were created because of an idea put forth in the series star trek is preposterous.

I believe that the apocalyptic pages of the Bible as well as the Koran are ideas that are coming to fruition because they are ideas that people believe in. to some degree, they are used to keep people in control and cowering in fear of impending doom. to another degree, they are ideas that bring about the end of the world as we know it and transition us to a "better" existence in accordance with god's will. Perhaps this is true. when the vast majority of man kind is eradicated from the earth, and we are left only with the bare minimalistic means with which to survive, maybe we will actually be in accordance with the fundamental practices of survival. smaller communities (tribes even), less politics (less people, less politics), more harmony with nature (a return to hunting and gathering with less emphasis on farming as a business.)

The problem, in my opinion, is that we assume that god has a definitive plan, where i believe that there is no plan, or consciousness involved, its merely a balance of life. Right now, it's way out of balance, tipping the scale to the vast population of 6 billion + people forced to inhabit the same planet.

Life is difficult, bring on Armageddon, it won't be much better or worse after, I think.

[jay_a2j]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

The counter argument would be that God created mankind, therefore, God is still yet to blame.

So if you have a kid and it grows up to be a mass murderer, you are to blame?


Put the blame where it belongs, on fallen mankind who have strayed away from God. We are to blame.

[Nickbaldwin]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

The counter argument would be that God created mankind, therefore, God is still yet to blame.

So if you have a kid and it grows up to be a mass murderer, you are to blame?


Put the blame where it belongs, on fallen mankind who have strayed away from God. We are to blame.

You are to blame, you cunt.

[hecter]

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen. Its kinda like Gene Roddenberry knowing that there would be cellular communication devices in the future. The idea that cell phones were created because of an idea put forth in the series star trek is preposterous.

Not completely... The inventors and engineers of today were the geeks of yesterday, who grew up watching and admiring Star Trek. And, just like writers and painters, engineers need inspiration. What better place to look for inspiration than the future (even if it's fiction)?

Anyway, Christians are always talking about how God is all powerful and all knowing (how else would he know about my masturbation habits?), so how could he not know about what's to come? If he didn't, then he wouldn't be all knowing, and if he's not all knowing then he wouldn't exactly be all powerful.

[Snorri1234]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

To be fair, Gip has a point. God designed us, and since he's allknowing he knew shit would hit the fan.

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen.

Well obviously. That's the whole idea behind God.

[Snorri1234]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

The counter argument would be that God created mankind, therefore, God is still yet to blame.

So if you have a kid and it grows up to be a mass murderer, you are to blame?

Well if you know beyond a shadow of doubt that your child will become a mass murderer before it's conception, you are to blame yes.

[PLAYER57832]

Should we be blaming God for all the mess the world is in? What is your feelings on this?

Yet another free will question? ... seems we have been through this before?

Blame is easy. It is working through the issues, forgiving and learning that are hard. Choose your path, then you live with the consequences. Worrying about whether God is doing what we think is best or not is just plain futile. God is. We are. If God is not, we still are. Either way, our choices are about the same.

[black elk speaks]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

To be fair, Gip has a point. God designed us, and since he's allknowing he knew shit would hit the fan.

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen.

Well obviously. That's the whole idea behind God.

I don't think so at all. eastern philosophies give way to enlightenment, and the recognition of the life giving force that is the basis of all religions as being god. but that doesn't mean that there is a will or a plan from said god. it has a directive, to create. i don't think that it even cares to be recognized as god.

[Snorri1234]

That's not a counter argument, that's a plea for a second brain cell.

I don't hold your parents responsible for the crap you post, do I?

To be fair, Gip has a point. God designed us, and since he's allknowing he knew shit would hit the fan.

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen.

Well obviously. That's the whole idea behind God.

I don't think so at all. eastern philosophies give way to enlightenment, and the recognition of the life giving force that is the basis of all religions as being god. but that doesn't mean that there is a will or a plan from said god. it has a directive, to create. i don't think that it even cares to be recognized as god.

Exactly. It is because it isn't a god in the traditional sense. It's a force, unlike western gods.

[black elk speaks]

I suppose you are right, if you believe that god is a conscious being and knew that this would happen. Its kinda like Gene Roddenberry knowing that there would be cellular communication devices in the future. The idea that cell phones were created because of an idea put forth in the series star trek is preposterous.

Not completely... The inventors and engineers of today were the geeks of yesterday, who grew up watching and admiring Star Trek. And, just like writers and painters, engineers need inspiration. What better place to look for inspiration than the future (even if it's fiction)?

Anyway, Christians are always talking about how God is all powerful and all knowing (how else would he know about my masturbation habits?), so how could he not know about what's to come? If he didn't, then he wouldn't be all knowing, and if he's not all knowing then he wouldn't exactly be all powerful.

Sorry, my sarcasm wasn't clear enough. What i was trying to say is that by the power of suggestion and the introduction of an idea, a mere mental image can be brought ti a conclusion in physical reality. there is a book called "Thoughts are things" that talks about this in every capacity of your life. when that fool John wrote the book of Revelations, he doomed the world. Though, I suppose that there were predecessors in the bible that predicated the Armageddon scenario, but you get the idea.

What I was suggesting is that Gene Roddenberry is the actual inventor of the cell phone because he was the first to come up with the technology as a concept.

Soon, the same realization will be brought into reality with regards to Armageddon.

[DaGip]

If God is not to blame, then it only stands to reason that Bush is not to blame for the war in Iraq...

[black elk speaks]

If God is not to blame, then it only stands to reason that Bush is not to blame for the war in Iraq...

sure, because god and bush are totally related?

[DaGip]

If God is not to blame, then it only stands to reason that Bush is not to blame for the war in Iraq...

sure, because god and bush are totally related?

I'm glad you are starting to agree with me...

[comic boy]

No.

I blame the suffragettes.

Oh, and whether or not you believe in God, mankind is responsible for its own actions.

The counter argument would be that God created mankind, therefore, God is still yet to blame.

So if you have a kid and it grows up to be a mass murderer, you are to blame?


Put the blame where it belongs, on fallen mankind who have strayed away from God. We are to blame.

Yes you are to blame for ignoring reality and instead trusting in space zombies

[Snorri1234]

If God is not to blame, then it only stands to reason that Bush is not to blame for the war in Iraq...

sure, because god and bush are totally related?

I'm glad you are starting to agree with me...

[black elk speaks]

So if you have a kid and it grows up to be a mass murderer, you are to blame?
Put the blame where it belongs, on fallen mankind who have strayed away from God. We are to blame.

this is a big problem with christianity.

There was adam and eve. god puts this tree with the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil right in the middle of the garden. "there it is" says god, "but don't eat it." that pesky woman eats the apple and then convinces adam to do the same? there was never any dialog like "now children, if you eat that fruit, you will piss me off so much that i will make you mortal and your descendants will become the soul food of satan, that bastard snake that tricked you into..." awww hell, it just doean't make any sense. from a conscious god, i expect better.

WTF! if anything, it was entrapment. is the knowledge of good and evil not the same thing as having free will? Why have a tree in the first place? why not just "create" people with the knowledge of good and evil if the all knowing god was just going to entrap us with the fruit? i just don't believe it. the bible sure does have an adverse effect of the future of the world though. Sarah Palin, if ever seated in the Oval Office as President is going to start the third world war in the form of a nuclear holocaust. again, WTF?