Obama's rating: Strong. But Average. And Way Divided.

[Juan_Bottom]

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/ ... president/
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/ ... kenya.html
http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cf ... d=20089295


For some reason mainstream media is ignoreing he fact that Obama may not be eligable to be the president... I find it pretty funny that we have two candidates and neither may have been born in America....

Do you think Obama was born in Kenya?
BTW that family photo is pretty funny... Obama is so white...

On Thursday, Philip Berg filed a temporary restraining order in federal court to bar Obama from running for president, claiming the Democratic candidate was actually born in Africa.
"We really don't believe he was born in Hawaii," Berg said. "We think he was born in Kenya."
The presidential candidate's father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, according to Obama's campaign Web site.
Berg's suit claims the senator's grandmother, brother and sister, who live in Kenya, believe they were present during Obama's birth in the African country.

[Neoteny]

Hawaii... Kenya... very easy to confuse...

[Hologram]

Well, true or not, if the State Department recognizes him as a natural born citizen, they can't take that away unless they exiled him, so I'm pretty sure he's in the clear, and it would be the governments fault for not catching this when he was first born.

[Juan_Bottom]

BORN IN THE COAST PROVINCIAL GENERAL HOSPITAL AT MOMBASSA, KENYA at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961?

Reports quote information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals.

And that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/10/born- ... neral.html

I wasn't too serious but there may be something to this. It's hard digging up information because the web is so full of Obama sites and Obama support.

Well, true or not, if the State Department recognizes him as a natural born citizen, they can't take that away unless they exiled him, so I'm pretty sure he's in the clear, and it would be the governments fault for not catching this when he was first born.

The government is made up of people though. It's one thing if they made a mistake, and it's another if they ignore the issue. It's legal to mess up, but illegal to lie.

[InsomniaRed]

John McCain was born on US soil, just not in the physical US. It counts, he's legit.

[Juan_Bottom]

John McCain was born on US soil, just not in the physical US. It counts, he's legit.

Plus his parents were both born in the US, so he's legit. I agree that he is in the clear. I just found it to be funny for some reason.

[Hologram]

John McCain was born on US soil, just not in the physical US. It counts, he's legit.

No. He wasn't. Military bases are not automatically US soil. Embassies, yes. Bases, no. What makes him natural born, though, is that he was born to two US citizens, and was therefore naturalized at birth, thus natural born. Of course, the easiest way to be a natural born citizen is to be born on US soil, but it's not necessarily the only way.

[InsomniaRed]

John McCain was born on US soil, just not in the physical US. It counts, he's legit.

Plus his parents were both born in the US, so he's legit. I agree that he is in the clear. I just found it to be funny for some reason.

Now about Barack Obama....Kenya-Hawaii I could see where the confusion could come in...they are such similar territories, I mean...regions, even if they are on different continents- oops, I mean zones.

[oVo]

Yeah... it's probably that they are both islands that confuses people
or that the interwebs are constantly plied full of political bs.

[InsomniaRed]

Yeah... it's probably that they are both islands that confuses people
or that the interwebs are constantly plied full of political bs.[url][/url]

Why didn't I think of that?! They go on wikipedia before they make news reports! Of course!

[Juan_Bottom]

I really am haveing a hard time learning too much information. Appearantly Phill Berg does have the Kenyan Birth Certificate IN HIS POSSESSION and is using it in his lawsuite. I'd really like it to go public, so lets hope that he is loseing....lol


But this is hilarious! I saw the first article and was like "Oh snap!"

Published: Oct 11, 2008
Author: Ed Hale
Post Date: 2008-10-12 04:20:44 by Magician

I guess the time has come to set the story about Obama Kenya Birth Certificate. I hosted Phil Berg on our No Obama Talk show on August 21, 2008. We then had Phil back on August 28, 2008. At that time I was contacted by one of the HCSFJM member by phone who told me that they were a importer/exporter and they had connection in Kenya. I talked to this person and also talk to Phil about it. We then discussed a plan on how to get the BC to the USA. We knew that Obama would do anything to stop this. We decide that Caren and I would be the decoy. We would announce that this BC would be shipped to Carens work place. Actually the BC was never coming to us. Our member was able to find the BC and it cost $1000.00 to get. There was 3 copies of the BC sent to the USA via 3 different carries to 3 different people.

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/ ... dden=false

Then I saw this one....

Update 2, 10/12/08 10:40 AM ET: Since originally posting this story Saturday, Atty. Philip Berg’s office informed us that they cannot discuss this matter due to pending litigation, which is understandable. They also informed us that Berg is NOT collaborating with Ed Hale, moderator of a site, “Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain” and host of a radio show. We have had no direct contact with Ed Hale, and have no idea whether he’s truthful or not.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... formation/

[oVo]

That texasdarlin blog is a hoot... hard to establish any credibility using Andy Martin as a source of "facts" and all those "omfg... the Dems are so screwed when this comes out" responses are hilarious and a few of those posters should be on Jay Leno's "Sidewalk All Stars."

The birth certificate thing made it's way to snopes.com where it evaluates the accusations are false.

[Juan_Bottom]

That texasdarlin blog is a hoot... hard to establish any credibility using Andy Martin as a source of "facts" and all those "omfg... the Dems are so screwed when this comes out" responses are hilarious and a few of those posters should be on Jay Leno's "Sidewalk All Stars."

The birth certificate thing made it's way to snopes.com where it evaluates the accusations are false.

I personally don't believe it. BUT! I will say that it could be possable... Phill Berg isn't telling us anything, but he did name a very specific place. Plus, you don't just get to walk into a courtroom without some evidence.

So I doubt anything will come of this, but I won't say that Phill Berg doesn't have something.

[heavycola]

If this document exists, and would sink obama's campaign immediately, how come it's not in the public domain already?

[Juan_Bottom]

If this document exists, and would sink obama's campaign immediately, how come it's not in the public domain already?

That's a very good question! And one I couldn't answer. this is what his office said though:

Philip Berg’s office informed us that they cannot discuss this matter due to pending litigation, which is understandable.

But reguardless, Phill Berg is the one with the lawsuit, and he's the one saying he has a copy of the Birth Certificate. Really, I can't wait to see what happens. Do you think that he's going to be discredited and embarrassed?

[pimpdave]

EXCUSE ME!

But there is a big difference between Hawaii and Kenya!

Where can you see lions?

(Not Hawaii, or Norway. Son of a BITCH!!!!)

[apey]

What pisses me off the most is that Obama wants to be president of this country yet he refuses to salute our flag!! I would get it if it were a religious thing,like he was a Jehovah's witness,HOWEVER since he is NOT ( deep sarcasm) a Muslim and is in fact a Christian God fearing man, and is very proud of his religion and his country then he would salute the flag.
go ahead and yell at me or what ever and say he doesn't have to salute the flag but if you want to be president you should love this country enough and respect this country enough to salute one of it's biggest most recognized symbols
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
edited to fix my dummy mistake

[heavycola]

if you want to be president you should love this country enough and respect this country enough to salute it's biggest most recognized symbol

Wait, do you mean the statue of liberty or the big mac?

[apey]

big mac is universal dummy

[mpjh]

Don't forget to vote, all you retards. Actually, why don't you forget. Why not spend the next 20 days flaming this post, it will give you satisfaction and save the country at the same time.

[The1exile]

But reguardless, Phill Berg is the one with the lawsuit, and he's the one saying he has a copy of the Birth Certificate. Really, I can't wait to see what happens. Do you think that he's going to be discredited and embarrassed?

Depending on your point of view, at best, he'll be proved a moron who made a false claim (that was hopefully an innocent mistake, maybe confusing our senator friend with his father). At worst, he'll be convicted for something like fraud. Does it need posting again?

Click image to enlarge.

I'm sure you can find official Obama campaign websites with that hosted up on them.

[Juan_Bottom]

:roll: big mac is universal dummy

Don't forget to vote, all you retards. Actually, why don't you forget. Why not spend the next 20 days flaming this post, it will give you satisfaction and save the country at the same time.

You're a very grumpy old man. If you weren't so damn funny, someone might tell you so!

Does it need posting again?

His American birth certificate is also in one of the links that I posted. But it is a matter of fact that his sister and grandparents & others claim to have been there at his birth, in Kenya.

Depending on your point of view, at best, he'll be proved a moron who made a false claim (that was hopefully an innocent mistake, maybe confusing our senator friend with his father).

My current point of view is one of disbelief, but I can't rule it out untill I see his copy of the birth certificate.

[oaktown]

One of the same articles (linked in first post) that claims that Obama was born in Kenya also says that McCain was born in the "Panama Canal." McCain, of course, wasn't born in the canal, which is a body of water, but in the Panama Canal Zone. This just demonstrates how stupid the blogger is who wrote this in the first place.

And being born in the Panama Canal Zone did not automatically qualify McCain for US Citizenship, as somebody else has suggested. The Canal Zone was controlled by the US, but was not considered a US territory. Constitutional rights were not applied to those residing or born inside this Zone. Being born to US citizens, however, does qualify you.

And of course Obama is a US citizen... if he wasn't, somebody would have spotted it when he was running for state legislature or congress all these years. The GOP has far more resources than some idiot blogger, and would never have let that get by them.

Barack Obama is not a foreigner, not a terrorist, not a communist, and not a Muslim; Sarah Palin is not a book burner, has never done porn, and she doesn't believe that dinosaurs lived 3,000 years ago (I hope); John McCain is not a member of the klan, not 109 years of age, and he does in fact know how to operate a telephone. Let's stop believing and repeating everything we read on internet, shall we?

[heavycola]

Let's stop believing and repeating everything we read on internet, shall we?

jeez, why not just shut this forum down entirely?

[Juan_Bottom]

Don't you role your eyes at me! I think I made it pretty clear that I was just sharing what I could find, and that I am quite doubtful myself. Besides, no one took McCain to a federal court did they?

And of course Obama is a US citizen... if he wasn't, somebody would have spotted it when he was running for state legislature or congress all these years. The GOP has far more resources than some idiot blogger, and would never have let that get by them.

IF he was born in Kenya, then he obviously has a fake birth certificate. This is what Phill Berg is alleging, and I think is a fair explination... if there is some crazy conspiracy here. Plus, Like I mentioned earlier, his family seems to think they saw him being born in Kenya... Maybe they were paid and that's the conspiracy, I dunno.

and she doesn't believe that dinosaurs lived 3,000 years ago

She totally doesn't believe in evolution... And knowing that she prayed from protection from wiches... I'd wager that she is the type who thinks people and dinos used to kick it with adam and steve in the garden of eden... and here on earth before the great flood....