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Is it just as racist to SUPPORT someone based on race; as it is to OPPOSE someone based on race

yes
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no
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Poll on Racism: Race Relations in America

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:45 pm

for sure
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:16 pm

That's probably actually a deeper question than you can fathom.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:20 pm

Neoteny wrote:That's probably actually a deeper question than you can fathom.

speak for yourself
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:22 pm

no u
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:23 pm

I think only someone with a racial chip on their shoulder would say what you said. you cant reduce racism by holding onto it
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby GabonX on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:39 pm

I wanna know who voted "no".

Neoteny wrote:That's probably actually a deeper question than you can fathom.

No, it's actually pretty damn simple. It's as black and white as a question can be...

To the person who voted no: Presuming that I'm white, if I only vote for white people because they are white, is that racist or is it only racist for white people to do this while it's not racist for people of other races?

I know that's a tung twister run on, but the message is there.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:40 pm

GabonX wrote:I know that's a tung twister


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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:41 pm

"Racial chip on my shoulder?" I'll admit that I'm sometimes arrogant and pretentious, and I do think you are a bit lacking in some areas, but I don't know that I can admit to having one of those...

The way the question is worded and how "racist" could be defined are what prompts my statement. If it's a question of whether it is racist to oppose someone for office because you feel his race is less capable in office, then I'd say that it's obviously probable. If it's "as racist" to support as to oppose due to differing physical features, I'm not so sure. If you are deciding between two politically identical candidates except that one is white and one black, and I pick the white guy because I am also white (suppose I'm superficial like that), it's hard to say if I feel that's racist. Is it wrong to support the bald guy because I too am bald? It seems that if you consider race to be nearly arbitrary like I do, you can pick between "races" for something silly like similarity to oneself or something subjective like aesthetics and not necessarily be racist. I feel this because racism seems to be more about the capabilities of an individual rather than how he looks. If I acknowledge that both individuals are equally politically competent, and pick the white guy because he has the same skin tone as me, I'm not sure I would consider myself racist (nor would I consider a black man racist for doing the same thing). It seems that there's a subtle wrinkle there that you have not considered.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby GabonX on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:43 pm

SultanOfSurreal wrote:
GabonX wrote:I know that's a tung twister


lol

Should be tongue.

Cry me a river.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:43 pm

GabonX wrote:
SultanOfSurreal wrote:
GabonX wrote:I know that's a tung twister


lol

Should be tongue.

Cry me a river.


why should i be crying over how stupid you are again?
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:45 pm

GabonX wrote:I wanna know who voted "no".

Neoteny wrote:That's probably actually a deeper question than you can fathom.

No, it's actually pretty damn simple. It's as black and white as a question can be...

To the person who voted no: Presuming that I'm white, if I only vote for white people because they are white, is that racist or is it only racist for white people to do this while it's not racist for people of other races?

I know that's a tung twister run on, but the message is there.


Like I said, I feel like it is not necessarily racist. If you vote based solely on skin color in the real world, I'd say you are probably either racist or politically inept. But I don't think voting solely on skin color need be inherently racist. As a white man, would it be racist for me to vote for a black man who is politically identical to a white man just because I think darker skin tones are more presidential or otherwise aesthetically pleasing?

Also, "woman" should be interchangeable with many situations in this scenario.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby GabonX on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:48 pm

Neoteny wrote:"Well it's just not that simple. There's not enough information to answer the question! Is one of the candidates oppressed in some way? What kind of impact will this have on society? Has the race of one of the men been oppressed historically which would warrant affirmative action?

This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby GabonX on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:50 pm

Neoteny wrote:
GabonX wrote:I wanna know who voted "no".

Neoteny wrote:That's probably actually a deeper question than you can fathom.

No, it's actually pretty damn simple. It's as black and white as a question can be...

To the person who voted no: Presuming that I'm white, if I only vote for white people because they are white, is that racist or is it only racist for white people to do this while it's not racist for people of other races?

I know that's a tung twister run on, but the message is there.


Like I said, I feel like it is not necessarily racist. If you vote based solely on skin color in the real world, I'd say you are probably either racist or politically inept. But I don't think voting solely on skin color need be inherently racist. As a white man, would it be racist for me to vote for a black man who is politically identical to a white man just because I think darker skin tones are more presidential or otherwise aesthetically pleasing?

Also, "woman" should be interchangeable with many situations in this scenario.

So I guess that means that it's ok for white people to only vote for white people.

Good to know!
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:51 pm

GabonX wrote:
Neoteny wrote:"Well it's just not that simple. There's not enough information to answer the question! Is one of the candidates oppressed in some way? What kind of impact will this have on society? Has the race of one of the men been oppressed historically which would warrant affirmative action?

This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.


Don't be silly. Just because you can't read for comprehension doesn't mean you need to resort to stereotyping.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:51 pm

Neoteny wrote:"Racial chip on my shoulder?" I'll admit that I'm sometimes arrogant and pretentious, and I do think you are a bit lacking in some areas, but I don't know that I can admit to having one of those...

The way the question is worded and how "racist" could be defined are what prompts my statement. If it's a question of whether it is racist to oppose someone for office because you feel his race is less capable in office, then I'd say that it's obviously probable. If it's "as racist" to support as to oppose due to differing physical features, I'm not so sure. If you are deciding between two politically identical candidates except that one is white and one black, and I pick the white guy because I am also white (suppose I'm superficial like that), it's hard to say if I feel that's racist. Is it wrong to support the bald guy because I too am bald? It seems that if you consider race to be nearly arbitrary like I do, you can pick between "races" for something silly like similarity to oneself or something subjective like aesthetics and not necessarily be racist. I feel this because racism seems to be more about the capabilities of an individual rather than how he looks. If I acknowledge that both individuals are equally politically competent, and pick the white guy because he has the same skin tone as me, I'm not sure I would consider myself racist (nor would I consider a black man racist for doing the same thing). It seems that there's a subtle wrinkle there that you have not considered.

yes, a wrinkle in time-space on the quantum physics level of racism it seems. slice and dice and twist with mist anyway you like. your interjections aim to complicate a simple question based upon a universally agreed definition to racism.
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