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Should "Point Restriction" tournaments be allowed?

Yes - In all forms
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Yes - But only if they have multiple brackets for all ranks
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"Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:10 pm

This is really getting ridiculous.

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All of the above tournaments are announced for 2500+ only. This probably eliminated close to 90-95% of the players who play tournaments. Sure I may be whining because I don't qualify myself at this point in time... but I am of the opinion that ALL tournaments should be made available to every player on the site.

If anything, these elitist games can be ran by PM or in the callouts forum. Trying to pass these off as "tournaments" are a complete joke. This blatant discrimination and conceited attitude has already ruined most aspects of this site, and I don't want to see it ruin the only thing I am still on CC for: tournaments.

Either open up a bracket for each rank (as in the recently announced "League of XXXX", or don't do them at all.

Does anyone else think that point restriction tournaments are a bad idea?
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby GrimReaper. on Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:13 pm

i agee this is a very bad idea but sadly its not against the rules.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:15 pm

GrimReaper. wrote:i agee this is a very bad idea but sadly its not against the rules.


Well... Rule number 3 of the handbook:

At least 50% of the spots available must be for open/public sign-ups, and not filled with special invitations.


This may be stretching the rule, but I don't feel as though setting such requirements allows for "open/public" sign-ups. Perhaps we could get it clarified or even added into the book as another rule.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Timminz on Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:22 pm

I don't see a problem with point restrictions on entry, as long as there is an equal tournament being offered for all the other ranks. Something like the "League of...." touneys that are going on now. But, to offer half a dozen tournaments that are only open to the top 250 (or so) players is just elitist bullshit. The tournament forum is not the place for it.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Marfski on Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:50 pm

There have been tournaments offered before for just cooks, etc. Since this has been allowed, I think this issue needs to be clarified because of the recent glut of 2500+ tournaments.
I don't think this sudden flood of tournaments for just 2500+ is a good idea either and I don't know why the same thing couldn't be accomplished in call outs or some other forum.
I think you should put a poll up Bones and have people vote about possibly reviewing/revising the tournament handbook rules.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:04 pm

Marfski wrote:There have been tournaments offered before for just cooks, etc. Since this has been allowed, I think this issue needs to be clarified because of the recent glut of 2500+ tournaments.
I don't think this sudden flood of tournaments for just 2500+ is a good idea either and I don't know why the same thing couldn't be accomplished in call outs or some other forum.
I think you should put a poll up Bones and have people vote about possibly reviewing/revising the tournament handbook rules.


Thanks for the thoughts, Marfski. I have added it to my original post. If you think of any other options please let me know and I will add it in there.

You bring up a good point about "cook" tournaments. Honestly, I don't really feel as though they should be allowed if we are also trying to stop "2500+" ranks as well. I don't want to be a hypocrite.

Anyways. I voted for option 2. I think everyone should have a chance for every tournament, and I also believe this is the intent that the original Rule Book was written for.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby BaldAdonis on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:09 pm

Thos tournaments are all made by the same person. Did you consider just asking him to stop?
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Night Strike on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:09 pm

Bones2484 wrote:You bring up a good point about "cook" tournaments. Honestly, I don't really feel as though they should be allowed if we are also trying to stop "2500+" ranks as well. I don't want to be a hypocrite.


One difference: There are 250 players over 2500 points, but there are nearly 2000 players under 800 points. That's nearly 10 times as many cooks eligible for a cooks only tournament than for a colonel+ tournament.

That's all I'm saying for now.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:18 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:Thos tournaments are all made by the same person. Did you consider just asking him to stop?


I don't have a special color for my user name; it's not my place to do anything of the sort. All I can do is see if others agree or if I am just being silly.

edit: And besides, I'm just going to assume he'd ignore me just as he has ignored the sub-2500 players that have tried to sign up in the tournaments I listed.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:20 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:You bring up a good point about "cook" tournaments. Honestly, I don't really feel as though they should be allowed if we are also trying to stop "2500+" ranks as well. I don't want to be a hypocrite.


One difference: There are 250 players over 2500 points, but there are nearly 2000 players under 800 points. That's nearly 10 times as many cooks eligible for a cooks only tournament than for a colonel+ tournament.

That's all I'm saying for now.


I see what you're saying, and I went back and forth on my opinion of cooks vs colonels only.

On that note, though, I don't think there'd be any problem with making a cook or colonel tournament that saved 50% of the spots for cooks or colonels. Seems like that would be in the spirit of the rule.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Blitzaholic on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:31 pm

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Bones2484 wrote:You bring up a good point about "cook" tournaments. Honestly, I don't really feel as though they should be allowed if we are also trying to stop "2500+" ranks as well. I don't want to be a hypocrite.


One difference: There are 250 players over 2500 points, but there are nearly 2000 players under 800 points. That's nearly 10 times as many cooks eligible for a cooks only tournament than for a colonel+ tournament.

That's all I'm saying for now.



I allowed 2400 scores in there and said they could be 100 points below, which makes about 325 players, I had no idea there was this much ruckus about this, lol, you all are way too much, there is literally hundreds of tournies going on and you worried about 7, as I discussed in length with some in here on these 2500+ tournies, this will be my last batch. several liked them and wanted more, i thought i was sparking cc by trying to get more involved in tournies as many high ranks dont, but many started to come around after i invited some. again, i have no problem not making anymore of these after these are done if that makes all happy. I had no idea you thought we were elitist cause of a 2500 score? :lol: thats a joke, but u got a right to your opinion, they were only meant to get some higher players liking tournies more, and the reason many dont play them is because they lose a ton of points!!!!! why do 90% of the people that win tournies feel good when the top 10% in scores are never in them, do you feel like you really competed agains tthe best players on the site? cause you have not, so many of the same players join every single tourney hoping to win one, let me join 100 so i cna win a few, and against who? low scores? and you win one? lol, what does that mean? only fair to have a few high score tourneys, agreed? I mean, look at all the tournies made, a vast majority, over 90% have been for all, and very few, if you look at the big picture have been made for higher scores, and just recently. The 1 on 1's are a joke but kinda fun, they were made to again, get some higher players involved in some other tournies soon.. but after these are done, i am thru with putting limits on my tournies if many dislike, i have no problem with that, didnt realize i was braking some rule. but, I do think, every once in a great while a tourney or 2 here and there would be ok with this, since you have like 20 to 1 for all other scores, and only small % of these are made. i dont think anyone is being or trying to be elitist here, those that cry or yell that are filled with envy and need to check themselves. I currently have 2 trips and 2 quads that need filling and ALL and any can JOIN, go join them, go, waiting for you alll to go join those, they are best of 3 series/ quick bones and all, go join them? you are invited? if you dont join them, I wonder what your issue really is? cause there is 4 you can join right now, but I dont see you joining them? so please all go join the four I made that are open to all, even a cook joined one :D waiting for you to join the 4 tournies, and if not or none of you do, stop whining like babies. I said i was going to be done with these when they fill and if I make any in the future it will be open for all, but every once in a great while, I may make a tourney or 2 for 2500 plus. As far as I know, I never broke any rules, the tournament organizers allowed them, so all must be ok. I just think they should be limited. We really do not want to continue to leave the top 350 players out of every single tournament always due to unfairness of points. maybe we can negotiate something like 2000+ which allows a lot more of a population to join. i would be ok with this. Maybe they can implement this new cc rule in jan 2009. hope this may serve helpful. I dropped them down to 2300 and 2100 scores and there is a 100 point le-way, so 2200's and 2000 scores can join at bare minimum, hope that helps some, now over 600 plus can join them, better? I lost over 600 points in tournies, and I dont care, it is more to get others involved that dont play these.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Stephen Wayne on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:37 pm

yeah i have seen these tournament
its just more pussys afraid for there points
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Soldier4Christ on Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:54 pm

if you dont like the tourny...just dont join it...whats the problem?? make your own i did
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Evil Semp on Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:01 pm

Blitz you said "why do 90% of the people that win tournies feel good when the top 10% in scores are never in them, do you feel like you really competed agains tthe best players on the site? cause you have not, so many of the same players join every single tourney hoping to win one, let me join 100 so i cna win a few, and against who? low scores? and you win one? lol, what does that mean? only fair to have a few high score tourneys, agreed?"

Why shouldn't they feel good about winning any tourney? You LOL at them because it doesn't mean anything because the higher scores won't join, but then you make tourneys so that lower scores can't join. How can they win a tourney with the higher score in them if they can't play in the same tourneys.

I sure hope I misunderstood what you said because I have a lot of respect for you, your score the tourneys you have run.
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Re: "Point Restriction" tournaments

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:07 pm

Can someone decipher the wall of text that Blitz put up there? I'm not even going to bother trying to read it.

edit: Ok, I tried to read it. Blitz, that is exactly the elitist attitude I was talking about. I don't care WHO is in a tournament, it is still hard to win ANY tournament. And besides, how are those of us who win tournaments supposed to "prove ourselves" as you say when we can't even compete against the "good players". :roll:

And as for the players who don't want to play in tournaments because of their points? Screw 'em. That isn't the attitude that is welcomed in tournaments. I don't play tournaments to win points, I play for the competition and fun of it. And by doing this, you are now plaguing the tournament forum with the elitist crap that is elsewhere on this site. The tournaments used to be the only place for anyone to get involved.


I sure hope I misunderstood what you said because I have a lot of respect for you, your score the tourneys you have run.


I agree 100%. But sadly, I don't think we are misunderstanding him. I think we are reading him exactly right.
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