Jules Verne Contest [Complete]

[Pandemonium]

And after a loooong time we have a change in the top 2 on the table, a new player has came in
Now at No.1 is fairman !

the top 10 are: (GTF - Games To Finish)

87 - fairman (GTF: 1)
86 - general_c (GTF: 3)
84 - Pandemonium (GTF: 0)
78 - IR1SH ACE (GTF: 1)
75 - dustin800 (GTF: 1)
70 - torres44cm (GTF: 2)
69 - Hook2 (GTF: 2)
69 - Choncobar (GTF: 2)
66 - bobzemmerman (GTF: 1)
66 - Pack Man (GTF: 3)

General_C still has the biggest chance to end up No.1 with 3 games to go, but even Pack Man at No.10 has chances for now.
The only one with 0 chances is Pandemonium ( me ) with zero games to finish I am now No.3 - I had a terrible run in the last 3 games (0/0/1 point)...

[General Redstone]

Claiming Ice cap in game 9470134

[Dukasaur]

Hi all !

I don't have a team and I would like to play the team challenge.

Do you think it's better to create a new team and ask the other players without team to join me or to join a team with a free spot (player who's quite the game or eliminated) ?

All other solutions are welcome.

I asked some NO-TEAM players if they want to join me and create a new team to play the team challenge.
I got one positive answer and Im waiting for the others. I will let you know.

This is fine. I think it was always DJENRE's intention to let people who had joined without teams to join them afterward. I also think, that since every team but one is short players, that the existing teams should be allowed to recruit NO TEAM players to join them. There is only one thing that I think would be unacceptable, and that would be for existing teams to poach members from other existing teams.

1. NO TEAM players joining together to form a new team. GOOD
2. Existing teams recruiting NO TEAM players to join them. GOOD
3. Existing teams recruiting players from other existing teams. BAD

As an addendum to the above, however, I would say this: After qualification is complete and the team matches are set, then it might be okay for teams who qualified for the finale to recruit players from teams who didn't make it, as long as the points of such players have not been used to help them qualify. Willing to entertain debate on this point.

I guess I should talk more about the team finale. The top eight teams will be in a bracket playoff. Team 1 will face Team 8, Team 2 will face Team 7, and so on. Third round, Winner of 1/8 faces winner of 2/7, and so on. Third round, winner of 1/8/2/7 faces winner of 3/4/5/6.

Each round will be three games. To give home ice (or home pitch for those of you who don't play hockey, lol) advantage to the higher-ranking team, the higher ranking team in each match will pick 2 maps and the lower-ranking team will pick one map. The maps can ONLY be chosen from those that were used in the tournament: Africa, France, Nordic Countries, Iceland, USA, Lunar War, Arctic, Greenland, South America, Australia, and Oceania. If you qualify to pick 2 maps, they must be 2 different maps from the list. If you are the team only picking one, you can pick any map, and there is no problem with it being the same as a map that the other team chose.

All games will be quads and will use the settings that have been used throughout this tournament: Flat-rate, Foggy, etc.

I was thinking about this the other day, and I thought I'd better clarify something, before somebody gets the wrong idea and we end up with pissed-off people.

There is a distinction between recruiting players to help you QUALIFY for the final, and to help you PLAY in the final.

It would be unfair, I think, to let a team add a high-scoring NO TEAM player to help them qualify for the finals. You chose whatever team you started with, and if those players turned out to be not as good or reliable as you hoped, then so be it. That is the nature of competition. It would be unfair to the successful teams to let someone pass them at the last minute because of adding a new player's scores to their total.

Existing NO TEAM players banding together to form a new team is another story entirely. That is completely okay, because it was always intended for you to join teams at some point along the way.

1. NO TEAM players joining together to form a new team. GOOD
2. Existing teams recruiting NO TEAM players to join them. GOOD
3. Existing teams recruiting players from other existing teams. BAD

Item 2 on that list is perfectly good to recruit players to help you PLAY in the final. Since it is a Quads series, obviously you will need to have four players. However, you cannot add their points to your total to help you qualify.

Just wanted to clarify, in case my previous post was too vague.

[Dukasaur]

The only one with 0 chances is Pandemonium ( me ) with zero games to finish I am now No.3 - I had a terrible run in the last 3 games (0/0/1 point)...

Sorry to hear that, man. Oh well, you had a great run at the front of the pack, as long as it lasted.

Well done!

[Dukasaur]

just to let you know I have held new zealand for two rounds

rmjw10

ok

[Dukasaur]

Hi Dukasaur,

In game Game 9727840 i'am holding the objectives lots of rounds, and nothing happens in my favour. Did I missed anything?

Lazyfox

Nothing will happen until the game ends. If your claim is valid (meaning you held it for three rounds, while at least four players were still alive) then you will get the 10 bonus points added to your score. We can't actually review the logs until the game is over and the fog is lifted.

[Hook2]

I don't know if anyone claimed this bonus or not. Don't think they did. I won the game and held the bonus at the end if no one claimed it already. Game 9828924.

Thanks,
Hook

[Bandido]

Hi
We are 3 no-team players. We are looking for another player to complete our team.
Please PM me if interested.

[kennys777]

Held New Zealand for 2 rounds, waiting on confirmation from last 3 players (4 with me)...Game 9874592

2011-10-30 09:52:17 - Incrementing game to round 20
2011-10-30 12:23:34 - davetso received 3 troops for holding ?
2011-10-30 12:23:34 - davetso received 4 troops for holding ?
2011-10-30 12:23:34 - davetso received 4 troops for holding ?
2011-10-30 12:23:34 - davetso received 5 troops for 17 regions
2011-10-30 12:24:19 - davetso deployed 5 troops on ?
2011-10-30 12:24:31 - davetso deployed 6 troops on ?
2011-10-30 12:24:41 - davetso deployed 5 troops on ?
2011-10-30 12:24:54 - davetso assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from fairman
2011-10-30 12:25:26 - davetso reinforced ? with 2 troops from ?
2011-10-30 12:25:26 - davetso ended the turn and got spoils
2011-10-30 13:57:22 - fairman received 3 troops for 11 regions
2011-10-30 13:57:28 - fairman deployed 3 troops on ?
2011-10-30 13:57:31 - fairman ended the turn
2011-10-30 16:36:07 - kennys777 received 2 troops for holding New Zealand
2011-10-30 16:36:07 - kennys777 received 3 troops for 10 regions
2011-10-30 16:36:11 - kennys777 played a set of Nauru, Marshall Islands, and Maluku worth 6 troops
2011-10-30 16:36:15 - kennys777 deployed 11 troops on Northland
2011-10-30 16:36:22 - kennys777 assaulted Tonga from Northland and conquered it from fairman
2011-10-30 16:36:41 - kennys777 ended the turn and got spoils
2011-10-30 17:38:49 - mlmarcelo received 3 troops for 5 regions
2011-10-30 17:38:59 - mlmarcelo played a set of Marquesas Islands, Fiji, and Flores worth 10 troops
2011-10-30 17:39:04 - mlmarcelo deployed 13 troops on ?
2011-10-30 17:39:25 - mlmarcelo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from kennys777
2011-10-30 17:40:15 - mlmarcelo ended the turn and got spoils
2011-10-30 17:40:15 - Incrementing game to round 21
2011-10-31 17:40:15 - davetso missed a turn
2011-11-01 04:39:07 - fairman received 3 troops for 10 regions
2011-11-01 04:39:08 - fairman deployed 3 troops on ?
2011-11-01 04:39:16 - fairman ended the turn
2011-11-01 07:33:43 - kennys777 received 2 troops for holding New Zealand
2011-11-01 07:33:43 - kennys777 received 3 troops for 10 regions
2011-11-01 07:33:48 - kennys777 deployed 5 troops on Tonga
2011-11-01 07:33:52 - kennys777 assaulted Western Samoa from Tonga and conquered it from fairman
2011-11-01 07:33:58 - kennys777 ended the turn and got spoils

[Dukasaur]

Hi
We are 3 no-team players. We are looking for another player to complete our team.
Please PM me if interested.

Might be a good idea to list the three players and their current scores, so you will know if you have a chance of qualifying for the team final.

[Bandido]

Bandido FRA score : 61
Ringemaster USA score : 52
Dexterdexter ROM score: 45

Done!
Let us know plz.

[Bandido]

Hi
We are 3 no-team players. We are looking for another player to complete our team.
Please PM me if interested.

Might be a good idea to list the three players and their current scores, so you will know if you have a chance of qualifying for the team final.

Bandido FRA score : 61
Ringemaster USA score : 52
Dexterdexter ROM score: 45

Done!

Let us know plz.

[Dukasaur]

Hi
We are 3 no-team players. We are looking for another player to complete our team.
Please PM me if interested.

Might be a good idea to list the three players and their current scores, so you will know if you have a chance of qualifying for the team final.

Bandido FRA score : 61
Ringemaster USA score : 52
Dexterdexter ROM score: 45

Done!

Let us know plz.

I wasn't ignoring you. Sometimes my boss requires me to work for a living and I can't stay home to update tournaments...

Anyway, 158 points would make you the 5th place team, which would get you into the final at present. (The top 8 will make it.) Keep in mind that none of these scores are final... there are still active games going, and some of the teams below you might do amazingly well on their last few games. But yes, at present 158 would be enough.

[bobdakota]

Hi all !

I don't have a team and I would like to play the team challenge.

Do you think it's better to create a new team and ask the other players without team to join me or to join a team with a free spot (player who's quite the game or eliminated) ?

All other solutions are welcome.

I asked some NO-TEAM players if they want to join me and create a new team to play the team challenge.
I got one positive answer and Im waiting for the others. I will let you know.

This is fine. I think it was always DJENRE's intention to let people who had joined without teams to join them afterward. I also think, that since every team but one is short players, that the existing teams should be allowed to recruit NO TEAM players to join them. There is only one thing that I think would be unacceptable, and that would be for existing teams to poach members from other existing teams.



1. NO TEAM players joining together to form a new team. GOOD
2. Existing teams recruiting NO TEAM players to join them. GOOD
3. Existing teams recruiting players from other existing teams. BAD

As an addendum to the above, however, I would say this: After qualification is complete and the team matches are set, then it might be okay for teams who qualified for the finale to recruit players from teams who didn't make it, as long as the points of such players have not been used to help them qualify. Willing to entertain debate on this point.

I guess I should talk more about the team finale. The top eight teams will be in a bracket playoff. Team 1 will face Team 8, Team 2 will face Team 7, and so on. Third round, Winner of 1/8 faces winner of 2/7, and so on. Third round, winner of 1/8/2/7 faces winner of 3/4/5/6.

Each round will be three games. To give home ice (or home pitch for those of you who don't play hockey, lol) advantage to the higher-ranking team, the higher ranking team in each match will pick 2 maps and the lower-ranking team will pick one map. The maps can ONLY be chosen from those that were used in the tournament: Africa, France, Nordic Countries, Iceland, USA, Lunar War, Arctic, Greenland, South America, Australia, and Oceania. If you qualify to pick 2 maps, they must be 2 different maps from the list. If you are the team only picking one, you can pick any map, and there is no problem with it being the same as a map that the other team chose.

All games will be quads and will use the settings that have been used throughout this tournament: Flat-rate, Foggy, etc.

I was thinking about this the other day, and I thought I'd better clarify something, before somebody gets the wrong idea and we end up with pissed-off people.

There is a distinction between recruiting players to help you QUALIFY for the final, and to help you PLAY in the final.

It would be unfair, I think, to let a team add a high-scoring NO TEAM player to help them qualify for the finals. You chose whatever team you started with, and if those players turned out to be not as good or reliable as you hoped, then so be it. That is the nature of competition. It would be unfair to the successful teams to let someone pass them at the last minute because of adding a new player's scores to their total.

Existing NO TEAM players banding together to form a new team is another story entirely. That is completely okay, because it was always intended for you to join teams at some point along the way.

1. NO TEAM players joining together to form a new team. GOOD
2. Existing teams recruiting NO TEAM players to join them. GOOD
3. Existing teams recruiting players from other existing teams. BAD

Item 2 on that list is perfectly good to recruit players to help you PLAY in the final. Since it is a Quads series, obviously you will need to have four players. However, you cannot add their points to your total to help you qualify.

Just wanted to clarify, in case my previous post was too vague.

I know I am a little late on this.

I think DJENRE assigned us to teams if we did not have a team. The teams were assigned before the games started. I don't know why some people never had a team.

All teams started with 4 players. Some of the players are eliminated form the singles tournement, but they are still elligible to play in the team.

So very few teams should need to find find new player for the team unless the player on the team has quit the game or will not play.

I don't think it is fair for the "no team" players to pick a team at this point because they will be picking people that are still in the tourney and therefor have a lot more points.

I do think it is fair to ramdomly match up the 18 people who were never put on a team. (but 18 does not go into 4)

[Dukasaur]

9 active games left

[Dukasaur]

I think DJENRE assigned us to teams if we did not have a team. The teams were assigned before the games started. I don't know why some people never had a team.

All teams started with 4 players. Some of the players are eliminated form the singles tournement, but they are still elligible to play in the team.

So very few teams should need to find find new player for the team unless the player on the team has quit the game or will not play.

I don't think it is fair for the "no team" players to pick a team at this point because they will be picking people that are still in the tourney and therefor have a lot more points.

I do think it is fair to ramdomly match up the 18 people who were never put on a team. (but 18 does not go into 4)

Hi Bob.
I left this for a while to see if anyone else had a comment, but it seems nobody else will.

There are quite a few teams who have lost members permanently. I'm not sure exactly how many, but quite a few. CC has a fairly high turnover rate, and I'm not just talking about noobs who sign up for a while and go away. I'm talking about long-established players, active, involved in the community, who simply have something come up in their life and vanish. For instance McLor, who was no casual dilettante: he was a Brigadier and very active in the clan scene on CC, suddenly vanished without a trace. And of course DJENRE himself. Those are just a couple examples off the top of my head, by no means an exhaustive list. We've lost a lot of people with no explanation, and several with an explanation, like Marechal Joffre.

I don't know how many teams will be scrambling for a fourth player or possibly even for multiple players. That's why I posted the interim team standings. I wanted those people who have a reasoable probability of being in the final to start thinking about it.

Now, on to the issue of allowing a new team. I understand your point: now that the tourney is almost done, there is some unfairness involved in letting the unteamed players cherry-pick a good team, having seen the standings. I agree, there is some unfairness in it, but I don't think it's totally wrong.

First: The fact that these players have done well in individual games is no guarantee that they will do well in team games.

Second: The number one problem I've had to contend with in this tournament is apathy. The tournament has been long, slow, and boring for most people, it had many design flaws, and just keeping people joining their games has been a challenge. So if someone actually cares enough to form a team and try to get into the finals, I'm not going to discourage this sign of nascent interest.

However, I do agree with you to a limited extent, so I will meet you part way on one point: the new team being formed, assuming it qualifies, will be ranked 8th going in to the final, regardless of the points of the players in it. This will at least make sure they don't get home-ice advantage as a result of having cherry-picked better players.

[bobdakota]

Thanks - You have done a great job trying to make this tourney work. The team tourney will be no easy task. You are right about players leaving. I just check my team and 1 member has not been on since July, so I am guessing that is pretty standard after almost a year.

Thanks for listening. I think you are making fine decisions

[Dukasaur]

Eight games still active

[Dukasaur]

My list of tournaments thus far:
My FIRST tournament: Dukasaur's Knucklehead Tournament
My SECOND tournament: Intensities in Ten Cities!
My THIRD tournament: DK's 3-3-3
My FOURTH tournament: DK's CC Scrabble
My FIFTH tournament: A Fifth of Dukasaur
My SIXTH tournament: DK's koontz-style tourney
My SEVENTH tournament: Jules Verne Contest(new thread) (rescued from its original creator DJENRE)
My EIGHTH tournament: LOTTERY V (rescued from its original creator DJENRE)
My NINTH tournament: History of Nuclear War I
My TENTH tournament: DK's Friendship Festival
My ELEVENTH tournament: DK's koontz-style II
My TWELFTH tournament: History 101 (rescued from Blinkadyblink)
My THIRTEENTH tournament: My First Tourney (rescued from Sword Master: it was HIS first tourney, not mine, lol)
My FOURTEENTH tournament: Guojia Anquan Bu TPA2 (my first TPA!)
My FIFTEENTH tournament: History of Nuclear War II
My SIXTEENTH tournament: Dukasaur's First Anniversary

[Pandemonium]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... n_US#gid=0

Seamus76 is the new leader on the table with his last perfect 20 points on the last Arctic map, but he has no more unfinished games.

general_c is theoretically the winner, being 3rd now with -8 points behind the leader BUT with 2 more games to cash in.

also, there is a theoretical chance for Pack Man and General Redstone but only if they get 16/18/20 points in their last game...

[Dukasaur]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap9tZNjRXkJydF9jLTh2LWh5QVZRQkc0NV80Q0pjU3c&hl=en_US#gid=0

Seamus76 is the new leader on the table with his last perfect 20 points on the last Arctic map, but he has no more unfinished games.

general_c is theoretically the winner, being 3rd now with -8 points behind the leader BUT with 2 more games to cash in.

also, there is a theoretical chance for Pack Man and General Redstone but only if they get 16/18/20 points in their last game...

It would be nice if once in a while somebody said, "Thank you Pandemonium for keeping track of all these complicated scores."

Anyway: Thank you Pandemonium for keeping track of all these complicated scores!

[Pandemonium]

Its OK Dukasaur, I don't expect any back tapping from the players,
what I expect from them is to be active and write in game chat AND in this thread loud and clear about the bonuses so I can check them out more easily

[General Redstone]

And to hopefully read the rules on the special objectives thoroughly right?!
I have to agree with Dukasaur, you volunteered for a hard job, thanks for doing it.

[Justin3f]

Just in case i'm supposed to post it i held the newzeland bonus for 2 rounds

[Pandemonium]

Yes, but Rmjw10 held it before you, so bonus goes to him...