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Postby HighlanderAttack on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:19 am

So I am tired of Night Strike and his dictatorship. Over the past year I have had four issues with Night Strike.

1. My medals being stripped for running AACM tourneys which although different in format were deemed the same format due to name only-after a few back and forth pm's I was eventually ignored and nothing happened.

2. Then the thread by Bones(Night Strikes Buddy) about there being too many tourneys to choose from. Instead of supporting tourneys he is about tourneys being his way or no way.

3. Then after being told I could not run speed tourneys the way I wanted to, and responding with my reasoning, I was never given a response.

4. And now with this pm I received. Basically eliminating at least 5 different styles of the tourneys I run. On top of that this was not sent to all tourney organizers. I don't know who it was sent to but I do know it was not sent to at least one tourney organizer who has run numerous tourneys.


I am basically putting this out there so everyone knows Night Strike is a dictator that is going to do things his way and if you don't like it oh well. Well I don't like it and I am over it and I am making my opinion known to everyone.

I have tried to make tourneys a fun thing over the past year. I have started over 130 tourneys and completed over 100. That I know if most everyone has enjoyed them. I do this with my time and get my own person reward for running tourneys out of it and nothing more. I didn't even know you received medals for running tourneys in the beginning. I just feel Night Strike is against tourney formats that don't fit his own personal criteria. I feel like no matter what response I give to him personally will have no effect anyway so I did not waste my time responding to him personally. I will pm this to the players that have been in my tourneys in the past. That is about it. Good Luck to all. I do not know what my future holds for CC, but it is time I make a stand against someone who I believe is bad for CC tourneys.


Night Strike wrote:Hello organizers and players,

I'm sending this PM to each of you to gather feedback on a soon-to-be-released tournament forum announcement. Our current minimum tournament requirements have been in place for 2 years now, so in order to catch up to the many changes on CC and specifically in the tournament area, we Directors have written a new set of requirements for all new tournaments. Because of the scope of changes in the requirements, we've decided to allow a select group of tournament contributors to review the new rules before they go live. Most of the ideas incorporated in these requirements were developed from things that have been mentioned from time to time over the past year, including from the contentious threads in General Info this January. They are meant to strike a balance between the ease of organizing tournaments as well as the equity among every tournament in regards to medals. They are not meant to target any individual organizer, so I hope no one feels that way, but rather they are meant to improve everyone's experiences in our tournament forums.

Each of you have the opportunity to provide me and the other Directors with feedback regarding these changes (you will reply to me and I will post them in a thread in our Director forum, anonymously if you specify that desire). You may voice your support, rejection, critique, clarification, or other requirements you think need to be included. It's up to you on how you respond to this feedback request, but there are two things that I ask of you:
  1. These requirements are private until they are announced by me to the whole forum.
  2. You only get to send me ONE reply to this PM.
This second rule is to keep my inbox from overflowing (it'll already get full if everyone replies) as well as to make sure you take the time to ponder the new requirements to formulate a well-reasoned and objective response. I may reply directly to some of your comments/concerns, but this is designed more as a feedback opportunity rather than a dialogue. Your input is very much appreciated, so I hope you can come up with some beneficial suggestions.

All responses are due by Friday at 2:00 PM EST (7:00 PM GMT) to guarantee consideration.

So without further ado, here are the proposed requirements (the current requirements are in the Tournament Handbook: How to Host a Tournament if you are unfamiliar with them):
Updated Proposal
  • 1v1 bracket tournaments must have at least 32 players OR can have 16 players with at least best of 3 games every round
  • Singles (3-8 player games) tournaments must have 16 players
  • Doubles tournaments must have 16 teams (32 players)
  • Triples & Quads tournaments must have 8 teams (24 or 32 players)
  • NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)
  • The tournament structure must cause the eventual winner to play 3 games (ex. 4 games with 4 players and then the 4 winners playing a final game would not be allowed)
  • At least 50% of the spots available must be for open/public sign-ups and not filled with special invitations.
  • Each organizer can have only 3 tournaments recruiting players at once, and only 2 of those can be 32 players or less (has NO effect on ongoing tournaments or reserves threads)
  • The Tournament Directors reserve the right to deny privileges for your tournament if the tournament is deemed to break site rules or has an unfair structure.
  • If you wish to run a tournament based upon an actual sports league or another well-designed format, and it requires you to have less than the minimum amount of participants or games, please contact the Create/Join Director to discuss a possible exemption.

Thanks again for your feedback. Also, this isn't the only tournament update coming down the pipe in the near future: all the others are non-controversial, so you all can still be looking forward to that. ;)

~Night Strike
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby grifftron on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:27 am

I never got it, but i guess im not a tourney organizer? Only finished around 10 and got 4 going now... what rules have changed? I don't get it... maybe cuz i just drove 3 hours back home... need some sleep and ill re read this


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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby angola on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:37 am

This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby grifftron on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:45 am

Whats the point to this rule? and is it open to the CC community to vote or choose together? Or is it gonna be Obama style?
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby jcstriker on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:48 am

angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?


yeah iv seen many tourneys for low rank players only, why cut out the high rank ones?
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby merch313 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:49 am

angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?


Points is the reason I do not sign up for tourneys 1v1 games sucks when you go second almost every game to a very low ranked player/players so I think minimum point tourneys are a good thing.
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby grifftron on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:50 am

AMEN to that brother! 8-)
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby General Flashman on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:50 am

I do not run tournaments, so accept that I may have a limited grasp of the issues raised here by Night Strike and HA.

However, as a regular player of tournaments, I feel I can chip in.

Specifically, I know HA runs a lot of tournaments - I have played in a lot of them. But it is always clear from the forum page and the title that it is one of his! Some people may not like the short and sharp competitions he runs, (although his comps are often of different specs) but no one is forced to play in the, and, as far as I know, they are generally fully subscribed!

Surely it is better to have lots of tournaments filling up quickly rather than a few which struggle.

People come on to CC to play games! HA, and many others, allows people to do so in a structured and competitive environment. If these rules, esp as regards limits to how many can be accepting sign ups at the one time, go through, then I suspect the forum for new tournaments will appear to have tumble weed going through it!

If someone is prepared, as many people such as moderators, directors and organisers do, to give up their time to make things better for the rest of the members, where is the harm in that?

In what way is restriction of choice here a good thing?

Night Strike, to whom many thanks for all the hard work put in, says that the changes "are meant to improve everyone's experiences in our tournament forums." Surely the goal should be improving experiences in playing the game? I must confess I am happier playing rather than in the fora!

I suspect this might be a popular topic (!) and it is sad to see people so obviously committed to CC having such difficulties.
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby wolfpack0530 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:52 am

angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?


I 100% agree. i am not biased. look at my tourney history. i play anyone. but i respect the right for those who only wish to play high ranks to do so. It is not like there is not enough tourneys out there for everyone to enjoy.

nightstrike, you are being overbearing!
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby RoOkAz on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:52 am

to be honest...i think the new rules are a bunch of shit.

Tourneys are going fine the way they are...why change a good running engine to make a possible defective same one
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby saraith on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:54 am

angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?

You don't consider Major to be a high rank? At the moment, you would not be able to participate in a tourney with a 2000 point minimum.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the proposed rules. I think it's a good balance and a fair compromise.
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby grifftron on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:58 am

saraith wrote:
angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?

You don't consider Major to be a high rank? At the moment, you would not be able to participate in a tourney with a 2000 point minimum.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the proposed rules. I think it's a good balance and a fair compromise.


I dont agree... if we don't have 2000 points and Highlander makes a 2000+ tourney, then we dont play.... thats that.... and thats they way its been and they way it should stay. Wolfpack said it nicely... we should have to RIGHT to make certain tourneys with rank restriction!
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby jcstriker on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:59 am

saraith wrote:
angola wrote:This rule:

# NO tournament may have a point restriction greater than 2000 points per player (or average of 2000 points per player in team tournaments)


is dumb.

Maybe folks don't want to play a tournament with low ranks? What's wrong with offering ones to high ranks only?

You don't consider Major to be a high rank? At the moment, you would not be able to participate in a tourney with a 2000 point minimum.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the proposed rules. I think it's a good balance and a fair compromise.

i f uhv 2000 points u are a major :roll:
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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby mgconstruction on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:59 am

Wow to this PM to Tournament Organizers. I have a few questions & points here to make.

1 - As a Tournament Organizer myself, why did I not get a PM with this?
Was it because I already expressed my opinion in the following thread and it was not what they wanted to hear? viewtopic.php?f=89&t=105975

2 - Why is this being done secretly in PM's and with only select Tournament Organizers? Don't all organizers have a voice as well as the people who play in these tournaments?

Oh wait they did here voice their opinions here...viewtopic.php?f=89&t=105975
Were the opinions of premium paying customers not to someones liking?

3- The poll that Night Strike created here viewtopic.php?f=89&t=105975 shows the peoples opinions.

Was the results not what they wanted to hear? Do these peoples voices not count?

My view is plain & simple, not only is this PM quoted above trying change the way tournaments are run, but it' sneaky and vindictive against a particular player & Tournament organizer. Not only has this issue stopped me from starting anymore of my Tourney's, I will also no longer donate any premium prizes as well as not renew my own premium until this is resolved and we are all heard.

As I said in the other thread with poll (linked above), Tournament Organizers donate their time as well as premium prizes and if CC does not take our opinions seriously than I have no need to waste my time & money.


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Re: HighlanderAttack is tired of Night Strike

Postby poptartpsycho18 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:01 am

I respect you HA, but this is an issue that I can see coming up repeatedly.

Edit: Losing my mind reading all the moot posts here...
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