Need Help: Abandoned Tourney with winner :: New Poll

Website · by **Barry Zuckerkorn** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:40 am

I won this tourney about 4 weeks ago:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81069

the tourney organizer is unresponsive -- but the tourney is clearly over, and there is a clear winner...

Is there anybody who could help me with this? addhear

Website · by **Barry Zuckerkorn** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:42 am

btw, this is the final game of that tourney:
Game 4728620

by **sailorseal** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:55 am

I knew this would pop up, he is my friend, I asked him, he says that there was more but

"Try getting friends"

Is his only message, sorry guys

by **sailorseal** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:01 pm

I might be able to lure him into posting here, let's see

by **JweezyIII** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:12 pm

i am sry the u did not get ur tournement winner medal and in all fairness i think u should also get the tournament achievement i was given.

by **amazzony** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:18 pm

If final game is over then one of the tournament directors will count it as finished for sure.... Just wait until they see this thread and they'll give you the deserved win

by **Night Strike** on Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:16 pm

JweezyIII wrote:i am sry the u did not get ur tournement winner medal and in all fairness i think u should also get the tournament achievement i was given.

Jweezy, he's referring to The Cold War tournament of yours. It will be YOUR fault if he doesn't receive a medal. It is your responsibility as the organizer to announce a winner when the tournament is completed. If you do not do so, then he will not receive a medal and YOU will receive an abandoned tournament mark. It's how the system works.

Subject: [24-Feb-2009] Tournament Winner Medals

Gilligan wrote:The organizer MUST have announced the winner in some way. If someone approaches a Tournament Director claiming to have won a tournament where the organizer didn't officially declare a winner, then it does not count.

Barry, this is not meant to be a slight against you; I just have to make sure the organizers do the job they've signed up to do.

by **sailorseal** on Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:08 am

He has quit CC, I was only able to get him to post that (vs. the flame he wanted to post) because I explained it, but he will not return again.
Sorry

by **amazzony** on Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:39 pm

Come on, NS, pull the stick out of your butt and try to be more friendly. This place used to be such a great place but for a while now there are more negative feelings and posts in these forums than positive ones. TDs should try to make this place a better one, more (user) friendly, help out in every way possible but this is just bs and the "political correctness" or whatever you are trying follow here is... I don't have words for it. Anyway, you know that in the end you'll declare Barry Zuckerkorn the winner of the tournament and he will get the earned win - it has been done like that before (Hall of Fame is proof for that) and I'm sure you and other other TDs are not complete jerks.

by **Optimus Prime** on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:35 pm

Spirit of the law... letter of the law... interesting.

by **Gozar** on Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:17 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:Spirit of the law... letter of the law... interesting.

Seems to come up a lot of late...

by **jpcloet** on Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:28 pm

Tournament Handbook wrote:Unfortunately, as Tournament Directors, we cannot grant you the privileges to take over a tournament without the permission of the original organizer. We are aware that sometimes this means a tournament will fall by the wayside, but we are willing to do whatever we can to help you begin a tournament anew under your name.

I previously argued that the TD's should actually have this power, especially if the player has left CC. As a TO, you've given up your right to ownership in this case. This policy should be looked at.

:idea:

However, on a legal technicality, it does not say that an Admin cannot grant privileges. Hence, and admin could allow a TD take it on and see it to completion.

by **Woodruff** on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:08 pm

jpcloet wrote:
Tournament Handbook wrote:Unfortunately, as Tournament Directors, we cannot grant you the privileges to take over a tournament without the permission of the original organizer. We are aware that sometimes this means a tournament will fall by the wayside, but we are willing to do whatever we can to help you begin a tournament anew under your name.

I previously argued that the TD's should actually have this power, especially if the player has left CC. As a TO, you've given up your right to ownership in this case. This policy should be looked at.

However, on a legal technicality, it does not say that an Admin cannot grant privileges. Hence, and admin could allow a TD take it on and see it to completion.

Particularly when it's already essentially...completed.

by **PaulusH** on Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:05 am

Woodruff wrote:
jpcloet wrote:
Tournament Handbook wrote:Unfortunately, as Tournament Directors, we cannot grant you the privileges to take over a tournament without the permission of the original organizer. We are aware that sometimes this means a tournament will fall by the wayside, but we are willing to do whatever we can to help you begin a tournament anew under your name.

I previously argued that the TD's should actually have this power, especially if the player has left CC. As a TO, you've given up your right to ownership in this case. This policy should be looked at.

However, on a legal technicality, it does not say that an Admin cannot grant privileges. Hence, and admin could allow a TD take it on and see it to completion.

Particularly when it's already essentially...completed.

Looks to me as bending the law :ugeek:

Nice

by **jpcloet** on Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:39 am

No, just finding the holes in text. I spent 3 years for a Legal Regulatory organization, and it's incredibly tough to write legal documents. That's why we have judges to decide spirit vs letter.

All rise, the honorable Judge Prime residing.

by **PaulusH** on Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:13 am

jpcloet wrote:No, just finding the holes in text. I spent 3 years for a Legal Regulatory organization, and it's incredibly tough to write legal documents. That's why we have judges to decide spirit vs letter.

All rise, the honorable Judge Prime residing.

What about bending the spirit of the law :lol:

btw who has made those laws

Do we have a parlament for discussing changes :sick:

In that case when do we vote for a new parlement :mrgreen:

In case it is in fact a normal company then just somebody takes a decision and that is it :ugeek:

Would save us a lot of legal people and judges O:)

May I remember you that it is only a game. With the only intention to have some fun

by **Optimus Prime** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:02 am

My opinion is spirit of the law for this case. If the information in the tournament thread or elsewhere can verify that the winner of said game is indeed the champion of the tournament, then just roll with it.

However, the Tournament Directors have final say in the matter.

Regards, OP

by **jpcloet** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:49 am

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81069

Game 4728620

Based on the thread link and the game posted above and jumping to the same thread, and an overall look at game finder for that tournament tag, all indications are that his statements are true and that he is indeed the winner.

by **sailorseal** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:29 pm

Didn't the organizer admit him to be the winner early in this thread?

by **Night Strike** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:33 pm

sailorseal wrote:He has quit CC, I was only able to get him to post that (vs. the flame he wanted to post) because I explained it, but he will not return again.
Sorry

Just curious, why didn't you get him to just make a post in the actual tournament thread saying who the winner was? It's a waste of time to post in this thread and keep it going when all that has to be done for the whole situation to dissolve is for a post from the organizer in the tournament thread announcing the winner. I would have gotten the organizer to come and make that post rather than the one here.

FYI, I think I've already come up with a solution to this if the organizer doesn't show back up in the next several days. We'll see what happens I guess.

by **sailorseal** on Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:36 pm

I had to force him not to post

"You will all never get @$$, get friends CC"

Its a lot of work with him

by **MrBenn** on Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:23 am

If this thread is merged into the relevant tournament thread, then the earlier post confirming the winner will appear in the correct thread, and the problem will be solved, yes? :-k