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ViperOverLord wrote:I voted no, because replacing one incompetent person with another incompetent person won't fix America. You got to cut the head if you want to kill the body. 2012 is the time for the real firing. That is unless you're a fan of Cuban economic policies.
Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I voted no, because replacing one incompetent person with another incompetent person won't fix America. You got to cut the head if you want to kill the body. 2012 is the time for the real firing. That is unless you're a fan of Cuban economic policies.
Was Fidel Castro known for throwing money at capitalistic businesses with no oversight? I don't remember that part.
ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I voted no, because replacing one incompetent person with another incompetent person won't fix America. You got to cut the head if you want to kill the body. 2012 is the time for the real firing. That is unless you're a fan of Cuban economic policies.
Was Fidel Castro known for throwing money at capitalistic businesses with no oversight? I don't remember that part.
Capitalistic businesses or state-owned businesses? Last I checked the government owned bank, insurance, auto shares among many shares. Yea, Castro indeed controlled industries.
Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I voted no, because replacing one incompetent person with another incompetent person won't fix America. You got to cut the head if you want to kill the body. 2012 is the time for the real firing. That is unless you're a fan of Cuban economic policies.
Was Fidel Castro known for throwing money at capitalistic businesses with no oversight? I don't remember that part.
Capitalistic businesses or state-owned businesses? Last I checked the government owned bank, insurance, auto shares among many shares. Yea, Castro indeed controlled industries.
So Fidel Castro didn't believe in complete governmental control of all business? Because I'm pretty sure he did. And I'm quite certain that Obama isn't doing that.
ViperOverLord wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCja99KpjWU
Speaking of lack of oversight; It's interesting that you had no opinion of Che/Cuba flag being on the wall of an Obama campaign office. I think it speaks volumes given Obama refusing to place his hand over his heart for the national anthem or to wear an American flag pin at another point in time. I don't want anyone like that in the office.
ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I voted no, because replacing one incompetent person with another incompetent person won't fix America. You got to cut the head if you want to kill the body. 2012 is the time for the real firing. That is unless you're a fan of Cuban economic policies.
Was Fidel Castro known for throwing money at capitalistic businesses with no oversight? I don't remember that part.
Capitalistic businesses or state-owned businesses? Last I checked the government owned bank, insurance, auto shares among many shares. Yea, Castro indeed controlled industries.
So Fidel Castro didn't believe in complete governmental control of all business? Because I'm pretty sure he did. And I'm quite certain that Obama isn't doing that.
I'm not quite certain that Obama doesn't believe in complete governmental control (whatever that means).
ViperOverLord wrote:But I think you clearly are not familiar with hyperbole.
ViperOverLord wrote:But how would you grade Obamanomics?
Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCja99KpjWU
Speaking of lack of oversight; It's interesting that you had no opinion of Che/Cuba flag being on the wall of an Obama campaign office. I think it speaks volumes given Obama refusing to place his hand over his heart for the national anthem or to wear an American flag pin at another point in time. I don't want anyone like that in the office.
"It's interesting that I had no opinion of the Che/Cuba flag being on the wall of an Obama campaign office"? How the f*ck do you know I have no opinion on it? When the f*ck has it been discussed, you blowhard?
Regarding his decision to stop wearing the flag pin (he did wear it for a time), I actually respect his response to the questions about it. I thought it was a very good and meaningful answer.
I don't happen to agree with him regarding his hand over his heart for the National Anthem, though that goes as much to his position at the time as a political candidate than to any actual meaning behind it (in other words, I think it was a really stupid thing for him to do, given his aspirations). There is no requirement that someone put their hand over their heart for the National Anthem...the only place it is formally referenced is in the U.S. Flag Code, which is essentially only a recommendation for what people SHOULD do.
ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCja99KpjWU
Speaking of lack of oversight; It's interesting that you had no opinion of Che/Cuba flag being on the wall of an Obama campaign office. I think it speaks volumes given Obama refusing to place his hand over his heart for the national anthem or to wear an American flag pin at another point in time. I don't want anyone like that in the office.
"It's interesting that I had no opinion of the Che/Cuba flag being on the wall of an Obama campaign office"? How the f*ck do you know I have no opinion on it? When the f*ck has it been discussed, you blowhard?
Regarding his decision to stop wearing the flag pin (he did wear it for a time), I actually respect his response to the questions about it. I thought it was a very good and meaningful answer.
I don't happen to agree with him regarding his hand over his heart for the National Anthem, though that goes as much to his position at the time as a political candidate than to any actual meaning behind it (in other words, I think it was a really stupid thing for him to do, given his aspirations). There is no requirement that someone put their hand over their heart for the National Anthem...the only place it is formally referenced is in the U.S. Flag Code, which is essentially only a recommendation for what people SHOULD do.
Calm down. You skip over stuff all the time.
ViperOverLord wrote:I don't know for a fact that you watched the vid or not dude and I never claimed you did. But I do know that you need to calm down.
ViperOverLord wrote:And you still aren't responding to the Che flag on his wall so I do know that. Case in f'ing point.
ViperOverLord wrote:Yes I understand formalized flag policies, but I still think it says plenty about Obama; his disregard for American flag symbolism contrasted with the Che flag symbolism.
Phatscotty wrote:and he does it on purpose....too...
ViperOverLord wrote:Really Woody? "Cowardly bastard"? I stopped reading at that point. If you have to turn every debate into a name calling contest (as you did last thread) then I'm not going to engage you.
ViperOverLord wrote:It's not running. Your posts are abusive and I will not participate in that.
Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:It's not running. Your posts are abusive and I will not participate in that.
You mean your posting of outright lies about people isn't abusive? An interesting definition you have, and typically myopic of you.
ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:It's not running. Your posts are abusive and I will not participate in that.
You mean your posting of outright lies about people isn't abusive? An interesting definition you have, and typically myopic of you.
I have not lied.
ViperOverLord wrote:I have a viewpoint and you have your viewpoint. The difference is that you have degenerated to abusing other posters through the use of vulgarity and taunts.
Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:It's not running. Your posts are abusive and I will not participate in that.
You mean your posting of outright lies about people isn't abusive? An interesting definition you have, and typically myopic of you.
I have not lied.
1) You stated that I am a Marxist and that I support Marxist policies. I have yet to see ANY support for this outright lie from you.
2) You stated that mviola made a statement that he did not make. Even when the statement was quoted back to you, you continued with the lie.
3) You have done similar things as #2 in other instances, including those statements being quoted directly back to you, yet you continue with the lie (I'll search for them if I must, but I would rather not).
ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:Woodruff wrote:You mean your posting of outright lies about people isn't abusive? An interesting definition you have, and typically myopic of you.
I have not lied.
1) You stated that I am a Marxist and that I support Marxist policies. I have yet to see ANY support for this outright lie from you.
2) You stated that mviola made a statement that he did not make. Even when the statement was quoted back to you, you continued with the lie.
3) You have done similar things as #2 in other instances, including those statements being quoted directly back to you, yet you continue with the lie (I'll search for them if I must, but I would rather not).
1. I acknowledged that you have supported Marxist policies and I'm entitled to have that opinion.
2. I stated an opinion that MViola did state and you tried to pretend that he stated/meant something else. That is your opinion, but hardly any definitive proof that I've lied. In fact by your logic by simply asserting that my viewpoint on the matter is correct, I could easily say that you are lying. Check your logic.
3. Weak. There are no cases where I have lied.
I have not lied and your serial profane attacks and taunts are not permitted via the forum guidelines.
ViperOverLord wrote:Hitting me the over the head with your hammer is not going to change the reality. I have referred to the Marxist left just as other people on here refer to the Religious Right. I am not calling you a Marxist I am saying you support Marxist policies and again I'm entitled to have my opinion.
ViperOverLord wrote:YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT SAY THAT I'M LYING ABOUT THE MVIOLA STATEMENT. THAT'S BS. Just because you took your own interpretation of his statement out of context does not mean you can will me to be a liar. That's bunk and you know it.
ViperOverLord wrote:Also speaking of unrepentant, you have attacked me with vulgarity and taunts all night long; even though I have not responded in kind. I have said that you are breaking forum guidelines and it is you that are unrepentant about that fact.
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