Riskopoly (Board Game) [Abandoned]

[EvilOtto]

I still don't like the names of properties use names of maps the unpopular ones being the cheapest the favourites being last

Thanks for the feedback. We discussed using different property names back at the beginning of the thread, please read the first few pages. I feel pretty strongly that using the classic monopoly names is the way to go and posted a variety of arguments for it (see my posts on page 2). Unfortunately there isn't a way to submit multiple versions so I can't do both the American and UK names, or I would.

I also think some people want a "CC website" map with lots of nods to the maps and the players on the site. This isn't that map. You wouldn't go on the Siege map thread and say the wall territories should be named after CC forums or the forest territories should be named after popular CC maps, would you?

[EvilOtto]

I think jail should be like Alcatraz in the S.F. map, you can only attack into it, but not out. And you get +1 for having attack jail, and jail.

Jail provides an important route between the two continents in that corner. If jail was "attack in only" those would become the easiest bonuses to hold and throw off the balance of the map. Making a map more complicated doesn't necessarily make it better. If you can explain how this change would help playability I'd be happy to consider it.

[fireedud]

I think jail should be like Alcatraz in the S.F. map, you can only attack into it, but not out. And you get +1 for having attack jail, and jail.

Jail provides an important route between the two continents in that corner. If jail was "attack in only" those would become the easiest bonuses to hold and throw off the balance of the map. Making a map more complicated doesn't necessarily make it better. If you can explain how this change would help playability I'd be happy to consider it.

It isn't for gameplay, but more of phyciological view, and maybe if you take out the bonus, it would be better?

[EvilOtto]

Latest versions:



48 territories.

New: both maps made current with smaller card arrows, "continents include..." text, CC star in Riskopoly, etc.

I still need to adjust the XML for the new small map. I think I can clean up the diagonal text a bit more on the small map too. I tried making both Os in RISKOPOLY into CC stars, but it was overwhelming and it looks much better with just the center 'O' (another advantage of the Riskopoly name is having an 'O' in the middle!). Looks like the question marks need to be bumped a bit to make their army numbers look centered. And I'll get the dice back in there next time.

[Coleman]

I don't know about the arrows...

But I do know that turning Jail into a black hole cuts out an important attack route and would severely damage the game play of the map.

[hecter]

I really don't think you guys can keep the name "Riskopoly" simply because of the fact that:

RISK is a registered trademark of Hasbro Inc. Conquer Club is not associated with RISK or Hasbro in any way.

[EvilOtto]

I really don't think you guys can keep the name "Riskopoly" simply because of the fact that:

RISK is a registered trademark of Hasbro Inc. Conquer Club is not associated with RISK or Hasbro in any way.

Which is why Snapple has to pay Apple so much money to use their name? I don't think so. It is a different word.

[vakEirn79]

...I wouldn't be too careless with that. Snapple and Apple are in completely different markets, and Snapple doesn't specifically use "apple" for any sort of effect anyway.

Riskopoly is very clearly playing on the words Risk and Monopoly, both of which are registered trademarks. CC is arguably in the same market as Risk and Monopoly (board games, even if this one is online), and this site does generate income, so there could be a problem.

Have you heard anything about the RIM (Research in Motion) vs Samsung lawsuit? RIM makes BlackBerry smart phones, and Samsung named their new product, also for the smartphone market, Blackjack. RIM is suing because "Blackjack" might lead customers to initially assume it's part of the BlackBerry line, since BB is such a recognizable name for smartphones. I don't know what the outcome of that case was (or if the case has even been decided yet), and I don't want to start a debate about the sensibility of the companies involved and that of the average consumer, but cases like this do happen.

If you want to be sure, I'd advise asking lack for an official response, because if something does result from the name Riskopoly, he'd probably be first in line for the consequences.

[johloh]

-my eyes could be crooked, but i think the armies on the left side need to be moved to the left a pixel or two to be centered...
-text of free army, attack jail, jail, and go seem blurred in the small version
-'page 1' text in the legend should either be bigger or deleted...as it is i think its too small
-the edges of the cyan (light blue) dollar bill seems to be more pixelated than the other bills

im not a big fan of the arrows...and i spent some time trying to come up with a better system...and i got nothing. you dont want to track up the board with dotted lines, so i dunno....maybe somebody can come up with a better solution...the arrows work, its just not great...

lookin good!

[oaktown]

If these things have been pointed out already, my apologies...

There are two territories with the same name, "Pennsylvania." You and I both know that one is the railroad, but somebody who isn't as familiar with the board could screw that up. Maybe change the railroad to "Penn. RR"?? Not a perfect solution, but it might get you back on one line.

the "Page 1" on the instructions... it's so tiny on the small map it looks like somebody smushed a bug on the card. In my opinion it doesn't add enough to the overall look of the map to be worth including.

I still like calling calling Jail the "Brig" to maintain the army theme, but who the hell am I?

Looking good Captain EO!

As for the Copyright issue, Riskopoly could be too close to the copyrighted Risk. The easiest thing to do would be to shoot off an e-mail to the legal department of Hasbro. Chances are they don't bother to respond, in which case you go ahead with this until they send Lack a letter asking him to stop using the name, at which point you make a quick change.

[Samus]

There are two territories with the same name, "Pennsylvania." You and I both know that one is the railroad, but somebody who isn't as familiar with the board could screw that up. Maybe change the railroad to "Penn. RR"?? Not a perfect solution, but it might get you back on one line.

I definitely agree something needs to be done. What if you/your team owns both of them? You'll need some clear way to tell them apart so that you deploy to the correct one.

The blue region only has 3 borders right now, Boardwalk, "?", and the 1 bill. I think you need to slide the 50 up so that it touches both the 20 and Short Line.

Great map though, I'm impressed that you managed to make this with the progressive bonuses while mostly sticking with the original design.

[EvilOtto]

-my eyes could be crooked, but i think the armies on the left side need to be moved to the left a pixel or two to be centered...

I think both the left and right side need to be bumped a pixel to the left.

-text of free army, attack jail, jail, and go seem blurred in the small version

That's the diagonal text I mentioned that I'll try to clean up.

-'page 1' text in the legend should either be bigger or deleted...as it is i think its too small

I've been trying to think of a way to make the rules look like an instruction booklet... haven't come up with a good solution yet, but I agree the "Page 1" text isn't cutting it.

-the edges of the cyan (light blue) dollar bill seems to be more pixelated than the other bills

Yep, that's because it is at an angle... wasn't anti-aliased properly. I'm on it.

There are two territories with the same name, "Pennsylvania." You and I both know that one is the railroad, but somebody who isn't as familiar with the board could screw that up. Maybe change the railroad to "Penn. RR"?? Not a perfect solution, but it might get you back on one line.

The XML lists them quite clearly as Pennsylvania Railroad and Pennsylvania Avenue. Seems like it would be hard to place wrong... I think shortenning the name on the map might also cause confusion... I'll see if I can think of another way to make it more clear.

[RobinJ]

good luck with this - I was disappointed to see the last one fail

[max is gr8]

O.K otto

make it country names then people will actually know the places

[EvilOtto]

...I wouldn't be too careless with that.

My appologies. Sometimes a short flippant respponse carries more weight in this forum than a well thought out argument, but I'm happy to do either.

Riskopoly is very clearly playing on the words Risk and Monopoly, both of which are registered trademarks.

Even with a completely different name the map is still clearly playing on Risk and Monopoly. That is the point. The first version of the map, on page 1, even states: "A tribute to the games of parker brothers". I'd be happy to put that back if it would ease your concerns.

RIM's position is that someone might walk into a store wanting to spend money on a Balckberry but then buy a Blackjack, thinking it is the same thing. Because RIM sued Samsung doesn't mean it was a valid lawsuit; anyone can sue anyone. The companies settled out of court, so we don't know if there was a legal problem. So it is a bad example.

But the question here is: would someone come to CC, see this tribute map, and think they were spending their membership money on a Hasbro product? That is certainly not the intent, and I believe I've made that intent clear.

[boberz]

what abnout a thin black outline on the arrows

[assasinsensei]

i don't know whats being said at the moment because i only read the 1st page and then realized that there were 11 more so i skipped to here but anyway the idea is awesome gl



sorry i felt the faces were needed

[yeti_c]

GO looks a bit fuzzy...

Otherwise like it...

Pennslyvania...

As long as the XML states "Pennslyvania Railroad" and "Pennslyvania" then it should be easy to differentiate...

C.

[Keredrex]

What about placing the arrows around the actual decks... pointing towards the Shields and Question marks...You could make them double sided since thats how normal attacks work...but one way attacks integrated might be an interesting twist

[EvilOtto]

What about placing the arrows around the actual decks... pointing towards the Shields and Question marks...You could make them double sided since thats how normal attacks work...but one way attacks integrated might be an interesting twist

The decks state that they border all those spaces, but the spaces don't reinforce that. A few people seemed confused, so I tried the arrows to clarify what the spaces can do... I think I'll try a few variations (including without the arrows) and post them all at once so everyone can compare and discuss.

[Keredrex]

OK.. or maybe arrows on both - Decks and territories... But Small and colored

[wiggybowler]

I like it, but not sure about the arrows.

[max is gr8]

EvilOtto

I still think we should have something other than the original names
Maybe make it places in the world (territories on the classic map)
Maybe put in the corner a chance card msaying something maybe

WAR CRIMES

Go to jail

[quote="community chess"]Extra Tax Levy

pay $10 for each road you have conquered[/qoute]

[Samus]

The blue region only has 3 borders right now, Boardwalk, "?", and the 1 bill. I think you need to slide the 50 up so that it touches both the 20 and Short Line.

So, what's going on here? Do you agree this should be addressed or perhaps have good reasoning for why it should stay?

[spinwizard]

i agree with max, make it more universal, mabey counterys or major world land marks