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soundman wrote:Unfortunately it looks like the mafia decided not to kill so our actions will probably not tell us anything. Did you get anything that doesn't match their claim, Doom?
Indeed. We can talk all we want about fallacies and ploys, but we need all information available to us.jak111 wrote:For now I'd like to hear who MoB saved and who Soundman blocked, no going around it or saying what if's. I'm not 100% for or against that they chose not to kill. But I'd like to know who it MAY be if they tried.
Who was you attempted target?DoomYoshi wrote:I didn't get anything last night. It seems I was roleblocked.
I am starting to think I know who the last scummy is though.
new guy1 wrote:I believe that if Doom was blocked, and there was no NK last night, then Doom would be labeled as Kingpin in my mind. Just my two cents worth, so Vote Doomyoshi
Yeah, the reason that I asked everybody to not try and squeeze Soundman's night target about before DoomYoshi claimed his action is that I suspect that Soundman was setting a trap to try and see if DoomYoshi would make the incorrect response as to if he was blocked or not. It hinges on the possibility that the reason that not even an attempted kill was in the scene being that the scum did no send in any kill action. I have a feeling that the posts on the matter from those who didn't see it may have tipped DoomYoshi off to the possibility of such a trap. Fortunately, we may still have a chance of said trap being successful even if DoomYoshi did see it. Basically the gambit could work one of two ways. The first option is that Soundman blocked DoomYoshi and that Doom claims to get results not realizing that he had actually been blocked. The second option is the reverse, Doom thinks that he would have been blocked when in reality Soundman either blocked someone else or nobody at all. The double layer option to this trap makes it harder for scum to know how to respond if they realize it has been set up. They can take a guess and maybe get lucky, but there is a least a shot that they will choose wrong.everywhere116 wrote:I think you're right, for a reason that I just noticed. But I want to hear from sound. It's possible a gambit was going on.
A quick rebuttal before I am done for the night. While the idea of me selling out chapcrap in an attempt to gain enough town credability to slide all the way to the end with a cop claim seems interesting and maybe plausible enough when taken soley as the idea, it doesn't really seem to work in context in my opinion. Let's look back, when was it that I started my case on Chapcrap (and hid my claimed result on him)? It was day 3. The exact timing is of some importance. It was before Mob made his claim ensuring SomethingClever would be the lynch for the day, yet after SomethingClever blundered enough to make his lynch a real possibility again. Two mafia were not down, one was and another had a claim that had been believed the day before, but was in the process of wandering down the road to self incrimination. Why would I choose that time to sellout Chapcrap? If what I wanted was credibility, couldn't I have picked some up from leading a lynch against SomethingClever? Having been one of the few people who wanted to lynch him during day 2 I think people would have accepted me doing so. Why would I sacrifice my partner who was not under any meaningful levels of suspicion when it would have been easier to toss the one who was on their way to talking them-self into a lynch and who I had a history of going against anyway? Look what ended up happening anyway. Mob counters SomethingClever and he is quickly lynched while my vote sits on Chapcrap as the only vote that anybody got around to casting before the bandwagon. Then Strike goes and night kills Clever, possibly picking up on the meaning behind my case against him. (Assuming that he knew his target was scum.)DoomYoshi wrote:I chose to investigate spiesr last night. People mentioned that 4 investigative roles was too many and I agree. Now this is a ridiculous gambit, but I think that spiesr may have realized there was no cop and sold chapcrap in order to win the game. The reason being that 2 mafia were down, and a desperate action is needed. Now, I know I am probably going to get lynched tonight. However, when I flip town continue as you are. Remember when it is down to 3 of you to kill spiesr though.
DoomYoshi wrote:I chose to investigate spiesr last night. People mentioned that 4 investigative roles was too many and I agree. Now this is a ridiculous gambit, but I think that spiesr may have realized there was no cop and sold chapcrap in order to win the game. The reason being that 2 mafia were down, and a desperate action is needed. Now, I know I am probably going to get lynched tonight. However, when I flip town continue as you are. Remember when it is down to 3 of you to kill spiesr though.
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