benga wrote:josko.ri wrote:For the record, CC3 thread (opened 18th March) right now has more wiews than CL4, opened 7 January (4,5Kvs4,3K) and more than double more number of comments (310vs145).
In addition, here are more clans signed up which means more potential spectators and commentators, and this is official CLA event while CC3 is not.
so, if CC3 can in half month get more wiews and double more posts than CL4 in 3 months, obviously something is not good with CL4. In my opinion that are rules and leadership, and I hope others recognize it.
*Point of my post is that CLA members recognize it, learn on past mistakes, and make much more quality project for CL5. If one person alone (Chuuuuck) can make quality project which remains without any doubt the most respected clan event, then I do not see why whole CLA team could not make it also.
You didn't count in the separate threads for divisions.
... Nor I counted separate threads for clan wars in CC3, do not mix separate threads with the main thread of the event.
benga wrote:And to be honest to whole delay of CL and the setup was such cause there were too many different opinions, this is compromise of them all.
Also you were by far the biggest reason for such delay in the setup of it all.
I was "reason" for delay, but good reason, because my+Masli's work which needed some time to make it quality (format suggestion) was finally accepted and majority of that format with little changes is used like final format of CL4. I do not mind having delay if final format was improved, if some good work was done, and it for sure was, according to majority of votes from CLA members that my+Masli's format suggestion get.
peanutsdad wrote:seems to me that josko is just doing his absolute best to try and stir things up as usual, making complaint after complaint about CL4, if he really hates it that much, maybe he should be in it. It's true that the vast majority of hang ups in starting CL4 were caused by Josko in the CLA never agreeing to a format, then stating he had one then never delivering on it.
Fault about my "never delivering format" was yours, I had asked numerous times to set up deadline for sending whole format suggestions. once when you had set up the final deadline (not my fault that it took months to set it up) I finished my format suggestion within the deadline. please do not hide your own bad organization of CLA behind my name.
You see, number of votes which my format suggestion got and number of votes which WPBRJ's got shows enough that I was not only making complaint after complaint, but was also doing quality job about making quality format, that CLA members recognized and gave majority of votes for my format suggestion. This format which we are playing now is almost the same like my format suggestion, and totally different from the one that WPBRJ suggested. Saying that I ONLY make complaint after complaint and did not do anything to try improve CL4, was complete disrespect to all time and ideas put into trying to make it as better as possible.
peanutsdad wrote:Now that RJ and DJ have been running CL4, and in my opinion have done an excellent job, every time i come in here there's another complaint from Josko. Just like in the CLA. There is already a discussion thread in the CLA for CL5, why can't Josko keep his complaint's/thoughts in that instead of always wasting our time in this thread?
I am not in CLA, so I cannot make complaint there. in public thread CL5 discussion is not opened. so this is right now the most relevant place where I CAN suggest my idea how to improve whole format for CL5. if everything is done excellent, then improving would not be needed.
so, first step in trying to improve anything is point out what is done bad. second step is suggest how it can be done better. I am doing both at the same time, and you call it "complain after complaint".
here are also some things that are done excellent, for example rule of using maximal 1 map, or whole graphics support of the event. but what is point in writing it is all done great supported with those smileys? when it is obvious that numerous rules are done with terrible decisions which kills competitive and fair play of the event? pointing out those terrible rules, and suggesting how to improve them is good way for having much better CL5 than it was/is CL4.