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jak111 wrote:There is no need for me to have mentioned the gift earlier JG, because it was irrelevant, and can be used at a later date to clear some sort of gifter. But with your tunnel vision that'd be hard to see, now wouldn't it?
Though, thanks for digging your ditch JG, you're afraid that I can PROVE myself by tomorrow, that's why you wish me dead now since your only alibi is that I am some JoaT (which would be proven wrong tomorrow)
So ask yourselves, we have 100% non town (Vodean admitted to being non town) and we could have a cleared townie and a proven scum by tomorrow, but JG insists you lynch me quickly before I can prove that he's caught in a lie. Now why would he want me dead this quickly? Unless of course he knows that I am town and that the picking the wrong person last night gave him a good excuse to out as he is now, causing a townie to be lynched before him.
Here's my suggestion. Lynch Vodean today like originally planned (100% non town there, no doubts about it with his claim as well) and tomorrow I can prove JG completely wrong and prove that he has lied.
jak111 wrote:There is no need for me to have mentioned the gift earlier JG, because it was irrelevant, and can be used at a later date to clear some sort of gifter. But with your tunnel vision that'd be hard to see, now wouldn't it?
Though, thanks for digging your ditch JG, you're afraid that I can PROVE myself by tomorrow, that's why you wish me dead now since your only alibi is that I am some JoaT (which would be proven wrong tomorrow)
So ask yourselves, we have 100% non town (Vodean admitted to being non town) and we could have a cleared townie and a proven scum by tomorrow, but JG insists you lynch me quickly before I can prove that he's caught in a lie. Now why would he want me dead this quickly? Unless of course he knows that I am town and that the picking the wrong person last night gave him a good excuse to out as he is now, causing a townie to be lynched before him.
Here's my suggestion. Lynch Vodean today like originally planned (100% non town there, no doubts about it with his claim as well) and tomorrow I can prove JG completely wrong and prove that he has lied.
vodean wrote:so essentially, i am helping the town WC, not the scum WC. lynching me would hinder you. i am potentially useful to town because the mafia cannot touch me.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
jak111 wrote:While others believe your 3rd party claim, you claimed way too easily Vodean, especially for a third party. Which leads me to believe you may be scum trying to hide in plain sight as a third party.
and it was after this post (and interestingly, the two following posts in which Safari and jgordon, two of your other black sheep, agreed with you) that Vodean claimed. So please explain again why you think he claimed too easily. Personally I think he was quite taking his time.Jak111 wrote: If you are a saint you should know EXACTLY why I messed up earlier D2. If you were a saint you'd have the decency to CLAIM your person at the very least without this stalling. Or are you afraid? You're among the wagon that had 4 non towns in it, so if you were a saint, you'd claim in hopes to help town instead of hindering it by not giving it hindsight to the imposing lynch.
I'm pretty sure that, even if you don't replace and return as the wrathful saint you claim to be, jgordon will look pretty scummy if you flip town. Right now things don't really look that way though.Jak111 wrote:Of course you want me lynched today JG, like I said and which you haven't addressed yet, is that I can prove you wrong come tomorrow and you damn well know it.
Why you'd trade your life for mine is questionable. Maybe because it's guaranteed with a claim I can't defend against without a night to prove my actions otherwise. Maybe you think you can weasel your way out once I pop blue for all to see. But with how sure you are today it'd be stupid for town to let you slide by tomorrow or tonight.
Oh, great idea. Let the suspect pick his jury. Or better yet, let the suspect muck up chap's role.jak111 wrote:I have a single request though. If I must be lynched, I get to pick who all is on the wagon.
I have too much knowledge and experience to believe what's right in front of my eyes? You've seen my theory and my evidence, I've posted it. Lsu confirmed it. Nobody that I'm aware of contradicts it. All the leads are pointing to jgordon being an angel. The only reason why you fail to see that is either because you're scum or you're seriously missing out on some stuff, which might even be plausible because you've OMGUS'd everyone in the game so far.Only 4 people since only 4 non towns on the list.
~ Vodean ~ Already claimed 3rd party.
~ JG ~ Will be proven scum with my death.
~ Aage ~ He has too much knowledge and experience to believe JG's role just like that.
~ Safari ~ Subtle, quiet, usually open when he's town, but not this game it seems.
Of course I agree, because I said so in my previous post, thank you very much. But yes, I don't think we should lynch anyone with half of either list missing. On the other hand, we haven't got much of a choice because technically the deadline is in three days. I would like to ask a deadline extension but I really doubt it's going to help.2 will be already known, but it will clear/catch the last two Aage and Safari. (Aage is my suspicion of the fight between Strike and himself, and Safari... well he seems off his Meta)
Also requesting prod to those inactive (which is quite a list at that!)
/ ~ 4 days
Chap ~ 8 days
CrazyMilkShake ~ 28 days (REALLY???)
Dj ~ 37 days (....)
DRoZ ~ 7 days
F1fth ~ 7 days
Hensow ~ 7 days
Nag ~ 6 days
Soundman ~ 4 days
Victor ~ 11 days
^ That inactive list is a bit worrying... Especially the two gone for 4 weeks +...
Right now the two 4 days don't compare to all those week +...
So we need a prod for all of those people if we wish to move along.
While I feel strongly on getting JG at a later date, I think Aage, you can agree we haven't had many people talk lately and this little list shows why we haven't gotten people's thoughts on it.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
aage wrote:So please explain again why you think he claimed too easily. Personally I think he was quite taking his time.
jak111 wrote:aage wrote:So please explain again why you think he claimed too easily. Personally I think he was quite taking his time.
He claimed 3rd party too easily, why not claim town saint commuter? Think about it, what 3rd party claims their actual role that easily without being investigated?
Also pretty scummy? If he did what he says he did and I contradict him by saying no such thing happened there's no pretty scummy about it. It's scummy as hell. (When I flip town that is, for now town has its doubts, though no offense, they should trust me more sometimes )
Although nice lie Aage, I haven't OMGUS'd everyone in the game, just JG. Once I flip town and he flips mafia it wont even count as an OMGUS when you pin someone as scum when you KNOW they are scum for saying something that didn't happen. That's called catching them in a lie and needing to prove to the rest of the town.
Just because you believe him an angel does not make him an angel, like I said, I hate to tell you Aage, but your read on JG at this moment is wrong. He's definitely no angel, and I doubt third party would kill themselves off just to kill 1 townie and not win by their wc. So unless your angel read counts demons as well, hate to break it to ya.
With the number he needs to replace, to be honest its best we just replace dead players where and when we can and hopefully he gets enough volunteers outside the game. I know resurrecting the dead is a pain, but as long as it wouldn't break the game it's cool.
DRoZ, F1fth, Hensow, and Chap seriously need to come back and give their thoughts on everything though. Because we're stuck in a cross fire. I know JG is scum. JG is painting me as scum with a role I can't prove otherwise unless given another night. and Aage is leaning in JG's favour.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
how would you prove him scum tonight? are you saying that you have more power than just a vote-stealer? maybe you fake-claimed?jak111 wrote:aage wrote:So please explain again why you think he claimed too easily. Personally I think he was quite taking his time.
He claimed 3rd party too easily, why not claim town saint commuter? Think about it, what 3rd party claims their actual role that easily without being investigated?
Also pretty scummy? If he did what he says he did and I contradict him by saying no such thing happened there's no pretty scummy about it. It's scummy as hell. (When I flip town that is, for now town has its doubts, though no offense, they should trust me more sometimes )
Although nice lie Aage, I haven't OMGUS'd everyone in the game, just JG. Once I flip town and he flips mafia it wont even count as an OMGUS when you pin someone as scum when you KNOW they are scum for saying something that didn't happen. That's called catching them in a lie and needing to prove to the rest of the town.
Just because you believe him an angel does not make him an angel, like I said, I hate to tell you Aage, but your read on JG at this moment is wrong. He's definitely no angel, and I doubt third party would kill themselves off just to kill 1 townie and not win by their wc. So unless your angel read counts demons as well, hate to break it to ya.
With the number he needs to replace, to be honest its best we just replace dead players where and when we can and hopefully he gets enough volunteers outside the game. I know resurrecting the dead is a pain, but as long as it wouldn't break the game it's cool.
DRoZ, F1fth, Hensow, and Chap seriously need to come back and give their thoughts on everything though. Because we're stuck in a cross fire. I know JG is scum. JG is painting me as scum with a role I can't prove otherwise unless given another night. and Aage is leaning in JG's favour.
jak111 wrote:Again, I don't know why JG would waste himself on me. Maybe he sees me as a threat? Maybe I'm snooping in areas he'd rather not be uncovered, or maybe he's afraid of me pinning the 4 non town on that list by tomorrow's end.
jak111 wrote:Without directly quoting Edoc, I received an action last night (a gift of sorts I guess) that I could only use last night, but it was forwarded so I could use it tomorrow because of DEADLINE and late actions already.
So unless your role gives me that gift (which I doubt because I was given a choice to use it) or you sent your action in around deadline JG I look forward to your head on a spike when I flip town.
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