SirSebstar wrote:edited arama,
no insult intended
Edited away my response as well, glad we sorted that out. Happy Holidays SirSebstar
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SirSebstar wrote:edited arama,
no insult intended
BigBallinStalin wrote:Quick questions:
(1) if the positions in here were succinctly summarized in one post, would that hasten the process of implementing this suggestion?
BigBallinStalin wrote:(2) is this thread the same as this thread?
chapcrap wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Quick questions:
(1) if the positions in here were succinctly summarized in one post, would that hasten the process of implementing this suggestion?
I think the issue with this being implemented is the change in policy. I suppose that summarizing the positions can not hurt, but I think the issue is really whether or not the admin and owners want this to happen.
One small coding issue is that the bronze, silver, gold, and soon to come diamond medals are all issued automatically based on statistical information. So, as an example, if you strip a players team medals, currently they will all come back once he wins another game. So, it's actually not enough to strip a player of medals. You also have to strip him of victories or create a mechanism that causes the count to reset.BigBallinStalin wrote:(2) is this thread the same as this thread?
I don't really know if they are the same. They are similar. We have the ability to strip medals.
Symmetry wrote:stripping victories seems like a separate suggestion. If TPTb already have the power to strip medals, it should be employed.
chapcrap wrote:Symmetry wrote:stripping victories seems like a separate suggestion. If TPTb already have the power to strip medals, it should be employed.
Well, I'm not sure the admin agree.
In any case, it can't be employed separately. If you read what I wrote earlier, you would understand that if you wanted the bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals stripped, something else must also be done in order for them to remain stripped. Otherwise, they will re-appear. Now, if you wanted other medals (GA, GC, TA, etc.) stripped, that is different. But those medals are (mostly) not really the medals achieved through cheating.
Symmetry wrote:chapcrap wrote:Symmetry wrote:stripping victories seems like a separate suggestion. If TPTb already have the power to strip medals, it should be employed.
Well, I'm not sure the admin agree.
In any case, it can't be employed separately. If you read what I wrote earlier, you would understand that if you wanted the bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals stripped, something else must also be done in order for them to remain stripped. Otherwise, they will re-appear. Now, if you wanted other medals (GA, GC, TA, etc.) stripped, that is different. But those medals are (mostly) not really the medals achieved through cheating.
Fair enough. Would it be fair to say that this is tied to a point reset then?
patrickaa317 wrote:Symmetry wrote:chapcrap wrote:Symmetry wrote:stripping victories seems like a separate suggestion. If TPTb already have the power to strip medals, it should be employed.
Well, I'm not sure the admin agree.
In any case, it can't be employed separately. If you read what I wrote earlier, you would understand that if you wanted the bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals stripped, something else must also be done in order for them to remain stripped. Otherwise, they will re-appear. Now, if you wanted other medals (GA, GC, TA, etc.) stripped, that is different. But those medals are (mostly) not really the medals achieved through cheating.
Fair enough. Would it be fair to say that this is tied to a point reset then?
Medals are derived from victories. You can't strip medals and not touch victory counts. Point reset is different subject.
Symmetry wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:Symmetry wrote:chapcrap wrote:Symmetry wrote:stripping victories seems like a separate suggestion. If TPTb already have the power to strip medals, it should be employed.
Well, I'm not sure the admin agree.
In any case, it can't be employed separately. If you read what I wrote earlier, you would understand that if you wanted the bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals stripped, something else must also be done in order for them to remain stripped. Otherwise, they will re-appear. Now, if you wanted other medals (GA, GC, TA, etc.) stripped, that is different. But those medals are (mostly) not really the medals achieved through cheating.
Fair enough. Would it be fair to say that this is tied to a point reset then?
Medals are derived from victories. You can't strip medals and not touch victory counts. Point reset is different subject.
Not all of them, obviously, but fair point. What do you suggest?
nicestash wrote:But have it go away after a period of time.
Sometimes cheating happens because of a misunderstanding of the rules.
Symmetry wrote:nicestash wrote:But have it go away after a period of time.
Sometimes cheating happens because of a misunderstanding of the rules.
The mods are generally sympathetic to appeals. A time limit seems to me a poor idea. Ifs the medals are unearned fairly, why return them?
nicestash wrote:Yep, I'm not sure why the 2 topics were merged...
patrickaa317 wrote:Symmetry wrote:nicestash wrote:But have it go away after a period of time.
Sometimes cheating happens because of a misunderstanding of the rules.
The mods are generally sympathetic to appeals. A time limit seems to me a poor idea. Ifs the medals are unearned fairly, why return them?
He was referring to my scarlet letter suggestion, not yours.
patrickaa317 wrote:nicestash wrote:Yep, I'm not sure why the 2 topics were merged...
They weren't. I had the idea here, then started a new thread.
Armandolas wrote:I agree...a cheater does not deserve medals
chapcrap wrote:
One small coding issue is that the bronze, silver, gold, and soon to come diamond medals are all issued automatically based on statistical information. So, as an example, if you strip a players team medals, currently they will all come back once he wins another game. So, it's actually not enough to strip a player of medals. You also have to strip him of victories or create a mechanism that causes the count to reset.
stahrgazer wrote:chapcrap wrote:
One small coding issue is that the bronze, silver, gold, and soon to come diamond medals are all issued automatically based on statistical information. So, as an example, if you strip a players team medals, currently they will all come back once he wins another game. So, it's actually not enough to strip a player of medals. You also have to strip him of victories or create a mechanism that causes the count to reset.
It seems fair that a "victory" that was gained through cheating should not count as a victory at all.
After a reasonable amount of time for the "appeals" process or while an appeal is pending, obviously, the stripping shouldn't occur. But once an appeal has been rejected or whatever term is used if the mods feel that they really did prove the case of cheating, then at least the "victories" gained in the proven games should be undone.
If that's too hard to figure out (how many specific games were probably won through cheating), then some set, predetermined, "global" percentage of games could be backed away. I'd suggest 25%. While a cheater may not have cheated on 25% of their games, stripping 25% of their victories is likely to lose them some of those medals and maybe the "excessive" nature of a 25% "victories reset" would be an additional discouragement from cheating.
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