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Lootifer wrote:Likely nothing more than similar articles to what he's submitted previously, as far as I am concerned the end result of my investigation is:
- There is a minor amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system, mostly at the tertiary level
- There is a surprisingly (?) high proportion of liberal instructors at the tertiary level, the impact of this is, as yet, seemingly unquantified
- There is a vocal minority that appear to be sensationalising data in order to progress a political agenda
- Without further evidence the counterfactual conclusion (that education is primarily about education) still seems perfectly valid
Agree?
Woodruff wrote:Nobunaga wrote:Woodruff wrote:Nobunaga wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:... Too bad, you have not been educated enough to really understand that hatred of disputing ideas is not a substitute for thought.
Typical, personal attack in lieu of argument. The classic liberal deflection.
What about my point regarding "classic liberalism"? Nothing?Nobunaga wrote:I have no hatred for disputing ideas, only for the blind faith put in those ideas by people with very selective awareness.
Indeed. That's why I've seen you so often disagree strongly with Phatscotty methodologies in these fora. Oh, wait...
Classic: (from Merriams) : typical <a classic example of chicanery> <a classic error>
I did not intend the use of the word as it would have been used with say, classical Greece. Why do I have to explain this? This thread is about education... maybe this misunderstanding reveals to us problems with our system of education in the US.
Well, that's an interesting dodge, but were you going to entirely avoid the point then? Or did you just want to pretend that I'm speaking of some historical-but-long-dead-animal when I speak of a "classic liberal"?
Lootifer wrote:Likely nothing more than similar articles to what he's submitted previously, as far as I am concerned the end result of my investigation is:
- There is a minor amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system, mostly at the tertiary level
- There is a surprisingly (?) high proportion of liberal instructors at the tertiary level, the impact of this is, as yet, seemingly unquantified
- There is a vocal minority that appear to be sensationalising data in order to progress a political agenda
- Without further evidence the counterfactual conclusion (that education is primarily about education) still seems perfectly valid
Agree?
Phatscotty wrote:Lootifer wrote:Likely nothing more than similar articles to what he's submitted previously, as far as I am concerned the end result of my investigation is:
- There is a minor amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system, mostly at the tertiary level
- There is a surprisingly (?) high proportion of liberal instructors at the tertiary level, the impact of this is, as yet, seemingly unquantified
- There is a vocal minority that appear to be sensationalising data in order to progress a political agenda
- Without further evidence the counterfactual conclusion (that education is primarily about education) still seems perfectly valid
Agree?
Hell no!! LOL
There is a major amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system. I have seen it myself, and not just one time or in one school, but many times in every school I've been in.
There is a high proportion of liberal instructors. We haven't got into teachers unions yet, but that is one of the sources. My best friends wife is a teacher, and she gets the union mail out every month, and inside there are specific instructions on how to teach children about the wonders of Leftism, and how to deal with and oppress Conservative ideas. There are also specific instructions to "teach" children how to vote the "right" way.
There is a growing number of people who are not indoctrinated that are pointing out data in order to recognize a political agenda of Leftism that is and has been shoved down the throat of millions of students.
also, there is a minority of people who have not went through the US education system, have no first hand evidence or examples or experience, are not surrounded by people who can confirm this based on their own first hand experiences, and willingly dismiss all evidence contrary to what they want to believe. They are also usually people who do not live in America
Phatscotty wrote:Really BBS? Why respond to a post where you didn't even watch the video or get the example I showed? My posts are filled with example after example after example. All you and your ilk are doing is "nu-uh, nu-uh". Any dolt can do that.
Think of ways you can participate in the subject matter. For example, you could show us how Universities are dominated by Conservatives....
Give us something worth reading/viewing, and it will be read or viewed. We already have enough Woodruff's and Andy's. There is no demand for more.
How about an opinion from you BBS. You have shown you are highly interested in this subject, so you probably have an opinion. Are our universities dominated by Conservatives? Or Liberals? Are you able to make a statement one way or the other? What do you think the ratio is?
Phatscotty wrote:There is a major amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system. I have seen it myself, and not just one time or in one school, but many times in every school I've been in.
Phatscotty wrote:There is a high proportion of liberal instructors. We haven't got into teachers unions yet, but that is one of the sources.
Phatscotty wrote:My best friends wife is a teacher, and she gets the union mail out every month, and inside there are specific instructions on how to teach children about the wonders of Leftism, and how to deal with and oppress Conservative ideas. There are also specific instructions to "teach" children how to vote the "right" way.
Phatscotty wrote:There is a growing number of people who are not indoctrinated that are pointing out data in order to recognize a political agenda of Leftism that is and has been shoved down the throat of millions of students.
Phatscotty wrote:also, there is a minority of people who have not went through the US education system, have no first hand evidence or examples or experience, are not surrounded by people who can confirm this based on their own first hand experiences, and willingly dismiss all evidence contrary to what they want to believe. They are also usually people who do not live in America.
Phatscotty wrote:Really BBS? Why respond to a post where you didn't even watch the video or get the example I showed? My posts are filled with example after example after example. All you and your ilk are doing is "nu-uh, nu-uh". Any dolt can do that.
Phatscotty wrote:Give us something worth reading/viewing, and it will be read or viewed. We already have enough Woodruff's and Andy's. There is no demand for more.
Phatscotty wrote:None of this is based on my ideology or my bias.
Phatscotty wrote:Teachers unions are dominated by the left. That's just a fact, and I don't have to spend hours an billions of dollars proving it time and again.
Phatscotty wrote:I try to make my posts comprehensible to the average person.
Phatscotty wrote:Your posts may be intelligent from time to time, but that doesn't mean many people understand them, or don't just ignore them. Even if your post is 100% correct, if few people can understand it, then it's not going to make an impact.
Phatscotty wrote:Our education system is as dominated by the Left as the sky is blue.
Phatscotty wrote:Would you like to offer your opinion if our education system leans left or right?
Is it in an educations system's best interest to elect and promote electing Democrats, or Republicans?
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Phatscotty wrote:A new book by Kyle Olson of Education Action Group exposes the progressive agenda in many of America's government schools. It reveals the curriculum, who the activists are and how to fight back.
Phatscotty wrote:nice red shirts!
Phatscotty wrote:I pledge allegiance to the earth
Phatscotty wrote:I am showing plenty of examples and reports and studies, and will continue for months. You can say they don't matter, or don't show anything one way or the other, or whatever you want to say. They are examples that support my premise. There are tons more examples too, while not so many that oppose my premise. Why is that, if you had to take a guess?
Phatscotty wrote:Hell no!! LOL
There is a major amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system. I have seen it myself, and not just one time or in one school, but many times in every school I've been in.
There is a high proportion of liberal instructors. We haven't got into teachers unions yet, but that is one of the sources. My best friends wife is a teacher, and she gets the union mail out every month, and inside there are specific instructions on how to teach children about the wonders of Leftism, and how to deal with and oppress Conservative ideas. There are also specific instructions to "teach" children how to vote the "right" way.
There is a growing number of people who are not indoctrinated that are pointing out data in order to recognize a political agenda of Leftism that is and has been shoved down the throat of millions of students.
also, there is a minority of people who have not went through the US education system, have no first hand evidence or examples or experience, are not surrounded by people who can confirm this based on their own first hand experiences, and willingly dismiss all evidence contrary to what they want to believe. They are also usually people who do not live in America
Lootifer wrote:lets assume that the class size ranges from what? 20-100?
Lootifer wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Hell no!! LOL
There is a major amount of political idealogy indoctrination in the US education system. I have seen it myself, and not just one time or in one school, but many times in every school I've been in.
There is a high proportion of liberal instructors. We haven't got into teachers unions yet, but that is one of the sources. My best friends wife is a teacher, and she gets the union mail out every month, and inside there are specific instructions on how to teach children about the wonders of Leftism, and how to deal with and oppress Conservative ideas. There are also specific instructions to "teach" children how to vote the "right" way.
There is a growing number of people who are not indoctrinated that are pointing out data in order to recognize a political agenda of Leftism that is and has been shoved down the throat of millions of students.
also, there is a minority of people who have not went through the US education system, have no first hand evidence or examples or experience, are not surrounded by people who can confirm this based on their own first hand experiences, and willingly dismiss all evidence contrary to what they want to believe. They are also usually people who do not live in America
Firstly we need to see evidence of the underlined.
Secondly lets run through your evidence to get a feel for how representative it is of the overall education system. We'll have to use high level assumptions but that should be fine to get a feel for how representative your sample is (i.e. how big the sample size is).
There are roughly 14.6 million full time students. Lets say that they take what 5-10 papers/classes per year? With 2-5 classes per week? Thats between 300-1500 classes per year per student; lets assume that the class size ranges from what? 20-100?
All works out to roughly 44-1095 million classes (nice range due to hugely variable assumptions, but thats fine). Lets be pessimestic and take the lower end of the assumptions. 44 million classes per year.
Say you have ample evidence that you can keep turning out. Say its 50-100 professors indoctrinating in 50-100 classes (lets say you only video tape the worst 10% or something). Thats 2500-10000 indoctrinating classes (lets say you only video tape the worst 1% or something meaning you should be able to find 25 clips of lessons quite easily). Thats 0.006-0.023% of all classes are indoctrinating with some very indoctrination favourable assumptions
For reference: To be convinved of a serious issue I would want to see at least 1% of classes showing serious forms of indoctrination. That would mean each year there should be 438000 classes where serious indoctrination is occuring. If this was the case I think you would have slightly more focus on the topic (rather than one bias research book, and a handful of activist websites).
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Lootifer wrote:You never attended like Econ101 or Math101 or some other popular class where you sat in a lecture theater of 100+ students?
Phatscotty wrote:So let's explore that environment, in the teachers lounge, at the union meetings, preparing for PTA meetings, school councils.
Phatscotty wrote:We still know it's true there are hardly any Conservatives involved with any of that,the thinking, the perspectives, the jargon, the direction they collectively try to move a student or parents or an education board, is about as linear as it can get. Right?
Phatscotty wrote:Do you at least concede, concerning the number of Liberal teachers, they are most likely not teaching Conservative values, and probably not accurately describing Conservative values, and as I have shown, many times, actively mock and attack Conservatives and Conservative values in the classroom.
Phatscotty wrote:Just take it one thing at a time, pleas don't jump to conclusions. Just laying the groundwork.
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