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[degaston]

Seeing as you are second behind Mtam as mostly likely to be Town, (I am wary of Pius Thicknesse/Yaxley with regard to Sempai), what are your reads at the moment.

I made a pretty detailed post of my reads about the end of D1 on p45. Some people have responded with their explanations for why they voted the way they did, but I haven't taken a hard look at those yet to see if they make sense to me in combination with their other actions. Right now my vote's still on pixar because:

• He's one of the less active players here
• I didn't care much for his actions at the start of D2
• I think his soft-claim when he was only at L-9 is pretty scummy
• I haven't seen anyone make a compelling case to switch to someone else

I've made several comments and asked a few questions so far today. I've made a vote and explained it. I think some other people need to step up and be a bit more active.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I think mtam's role is total BS. He knows if he claims something so powerful he won't get lynched as well as stating he wont get night killed either.

unvote vote mtam

Pixar - I have just read the early D2 comments which have got people rattled. I have a simple question - Did you or did you not target your action on Mtam last night?

[sempaispellcheck]

Sorry for slipping out the past few days. I've been reading, but I haven't had time until now to really collect my thoughts and post.

Dazza defending Pixar reminds me a bit of Storr's defending mtam early on D1 - "this is how he normally plays."
Based on mtam's resulting claim, I'm thinking we may be better off pushing the Pixar case (and probably the dazza case as well) to the backburner for now.

Endgame and charm seem to me to be the ones to watch closely (I would love to know why she says she doesn't count, and what kind of curse she was hit with)
MudPuppy and dd are worth keeping an eye on as well.

Looking forward to hearing what aage has to say about all this when he gets back (I read him town, FWIW).

FP'd by Wing.

sempai

[StorrZerg]

Wing who you pushing on

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Depending on Pixar's answer to the question above. I will Vote on Got Tonkaed, with other scum suspects being End, Mudpuppy, Rage, Mets.

There isnt enough to be sure about anyone. But that is where I currently sit.

[StorrZerg]

Pixar isn't it today.

happy to wagon the last 4. Not sold on got tonk yet

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Do we have a deadline? I presume this thread is going to die over the weekend as per normal

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Endgame

[HotShot53]

Well, doesn't look like much interesting has happened since my last post... so I will continue where I left off with that one, and look at the people who stayed on the deg wagon, since it's very possible some scum stayed there since they probably would have liked him lynched just as much or more than pershy.

degaston - metsfan, mtam, tonkaed, skill, floyd, BG

mets - replaced IB. IB posted virtually nothing before he was overwhelmed and asked to be replaced. Starts off with his reads, which are mostly town reads on almost everyone. Spent most of day 1 defending people. Voted deg because "At some point, "I've only played one game" stops being a defense and starts being a scum tell after you've posted it like 30 times in as many pages." Made comments he would support pushes on charm or dazza. I like his comments on some of the cases that were occurring at the time, and his stated support to look at charm and dazza, although he never actually voted them or questioned anything in particular about them. What I find really odd is that the one line I quoted seems to be the only thing he said about deg all day... seems like a very weak case for his only vote of the day. He didn't post between deg's claim and the end of the day, so unknown if he wasn't on then or saw but ignored the claim and hoped it would go to lynch anyway.

Day 2 so far, hasn't really contributed much of anything, except responding to streaker when called out for not contributing. His basic defense is, what do you want me to do, the cases are junk so I have nothing to do. Hasn't tried to start his own cases at all. His day 1 vote on deg with almost no commentary about it or anything else dealing with deg, his lack of any scum hunting at all makes me lean scum on him

mtam - claimed HP. Thinks he's better than everyone else, so doesn't care that most people thinks he's playing horribly for town. I'll assume he's HP unless something shows otherwise.

tonk - was one of the most active people day 1. Pushed the mtam case strongly, which I can't blame him for (although a possible good case for scum to push as mtam's attitude makes making a case on him pretty easy in many games). After mtam's claim, voted pershy for inactivity, then after he checked in moved on to deg, although no reason given as to why (bandwagonning it seems). Didn't post again after deg's claim, so same as mets no way of knowing if that was intentional or not. Day 2, voted pixar for jumping on storr right way, then unvoted after the soft claim by pixar.

Originally, I had tonk as a town read for his activity and the mtam push. Since that ended though, he hasn't been nearly as towny. I'm unsure of him at this point, neutral for now, will see how he goes from here

skillfusniper33 - was away at the beginning of the game, in his first real post he gave some reads. voted mtam and asked for info about his power in the next post. after the claim, he moved on to deg for "After reading the most recent stuff deg has put forward, I really see him as being scum at this point. For the one reason of if mtam fake claimed he would have been outed by now. I didn't buy the case earlier, but now I am seeing it now on deg." Basically, a bandwagon vote. Didn't post again in day 1. Made 3 posts so far on day 2, all generic comments. Has been one of the least active posters in the game, and could use some pressure to get him posting some more with some more opinions on things. I'd lean scum for his scummarizing and bandwagonning with no trying to really scum hunt

floyd - voted sempai, then after the claim moved to pershy for inactivity (although he wasn't exactly very active himself) With his last post, he unvoted pershy and voted deg because "I'm not sure about Degaston case, but for me a lynch is better than none and nothing seems viable right now. " Day 2, was replaced by wing. Wing has been very active so far, and his posts make sense. I'll go neutral for now, floyd wasn't so towny but wing has been so far, so we'll see how it goes.

BG - pressured storr on day 1 because he didn't buy the 3rd party claim. switched to mtam during the middle of that bandwagon, then switched back to storr again after mtam's claim. voted deg with absolutely no comment or any mention of deg in other posts either, and after the deg claim. I'm guessing his reasoning was that if storr wanted to lynch pershy instead of deg, then he'd go against storr and vote deg. Day 2, started again with his case on storr. I think he got so frustrated with storr he asked to be replaced. SW 2.0 hasn't been in the game long enough for much of a read on him. Neutral for now I guess.

Overall, seems like most of the people that stayed with deg were less active... mets and skillfusniper were the most scummy of the group from my analysis.

[StorrZerg]

vote mets

[charm]

I would assume that Minerva had a wand too. I also wonder if mafia kills someone does that mean they have the wand or does the wand disappear/die with the character??

It may be nothing, or something, I don't know and not that it matters since I don't count today! So, don't bother with paying any attention to me if you don't want to.

Quit the cryptographic talk please. Either you have usefull information and you tell us, or you were hit with something you don't want to share and then you shouldn't have brought it up.

You don't count today? Are you hit with a spell that stops you from making reads?

I believe that I have no ability to comment today! Sorry, back at ya on Day 3! Over and out!!

[StorrZerg]

let's see a vote and push hotshoT. Lots of chatter let's see action

[HotShot53]

let's see a vote and push hotshoT. Lots of chatter let's see action

My vote as of a couple days ago is on dazza, as the most scummy of the group that lynched pershy.

[StorrZerg]

let's see a vote and push hotshoT. Lots of chatter let's see action

My vote as of a couple days ago is on dazza, as the most scummy of the group that lynched pershy.

Disagree here. Dazza pushed pershy for inactive that's not a bad thing.

Btw I think your mafia, big glorified list post imo.

[Metsfanmax]

Hotshot's case would make sense... if he had never played any other games would me. Lol at Storr for sheeping.

[StorrZerg]

Hotshot's case would make sense... if he had never played any other games would me. Lol at Storr for sheeping.

Who am I sheeping?

[Talapus]

@Pixar - The answer to that question is more beneficial to mafia than town, so lets leave it as an unknown and let them be confused. Also I now believe you to be town because of why you asked the question. I can explain that if anyone wants, but I dont see the benefit.

I am not a fan that some people are kinda pushing for a claim from pix. First off we already basically outed 3 townish roles day one. In my experience, a town power role wouldn't be stupid enough to make a comment like pix did first thing day two with town already struggling for control. Would I love more info...absolutely! But I'm not about a help push for a claim now because I too believe it benefits mafia more then town.

Mafia would have known that Mtam and Storr were non-mafia, so would be quite willing to push those two cases amidst the town confusion of what on earth the two of them were playing at.

It is not clear to me how much scum were involved in that. Town was doing an excellent job confusing itself D1, they probably could have stepped back and just watched it unfold. I'm not even sure there were scum leading the Pershy mislynch, it could just have been an honest -- but poorly executed -- mistake.

First off, I don't think we know enough players in the game to yet state that there was no way for mafia to know Mtam and storr were non-mafia. Yes there was a lot of confusion day one and god knows it's hard to know who is town or other, but I doubt mafia just stepped back and watched it unfold either. There could be more than one mafia or 3rd party, etc. I doubt they all know each other. As the stories progressed loyalties to certain factions came and went based on what worked best with that characters interests.

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

After rereading my vote at this point would have gone onto jb...but as he has been replaced I find it unfair to vote for wing because his predecessor's last minute vote was truely suspicious.

[Metsfanmax]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote

End was online and I wanted to see if he jumped to defend himself. I suppose its not a great test at L-10 anyway.

[madmitch]

some people think it is scummy to reread and skim through the posts.then I mut be the biggest scum out there. I have read until my eyes are bloodshot and crossed and have a hard time making sense of some posts,example; so and so voted to hang then changed their mine and are townies,some one else did it and are scum, jump on the wagon ,jump off the wagon,then theres the magic part .who has wands,how long do they last and the magical beasts are all about,I,m sure I HAVE SEEN THE CAT IN THE HAT,BOX TROLLS,TINKER BELL AND BLOODY PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON. I AM GOING CRAZY.all Iknow is that Iam voting for who ever has the most votes,damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,oh by the way I am going to the alley to buy a new wand I broke the last one,hope I don,t get killed transformed or eaten. bye..

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

[Metsfanmax]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

No, don't be silly, re-read it. Talapus says that if mafia let it happen then it's because they were doing so intentionally. I was observing that even if you wanted pershy to die, you might have been unable to contribute just because of how the timing played out.

[StorrZerg]

Anyone wanna lynch hotshot?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If mafia or town is dumb enough to just sit back and watch it unfold then they too are throwing their fates into the wind. So not really a safe way to play in my mind. But in the same regard it makes it damn near impossible looking at the wagons at the end of day 1 to really determine who is the most suspicious.

Well a major part of the problem was the timing. I didn't check the thread at all between the time when degaston had the most votes, and the deadline. (Though I was on vacation and in a different time zone from usual, for what it's worth.) I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

Read as - "I dont care who mafia are, but you can be sure its not me"

Vote Mets

No, don't be silly, re-read it. Talapus says that if mafia let it happen then it's because they were doing so intentionally. I was observing that even if you wanted pershy to die, you might have been unable to contribute just because of how the timing played out.

I am not voting you for that single comment in isolation. I am voting you for complaining about the lack of positive contributions from many whilst at the same time offering nothing, and yet finding the time to pop up and defend yourself.

@Storr - Why do you think Hotshot is a worthy lynch? He makes lists in every game, the reads seem consistent and sensible in the posts. Doesnt look to me like he is trying to subtly defend players.

[Metsfanmax]

I am not voting you for that single comment in isolation. I am voting you for complaining about the lack of positive contributions

No, I am not complaining, I am merely observing. I play the role of the cranky skeptic doubting everyone's reads in every single game I play. It is almost never phrased in the form of a complaint, however.