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ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
mookiemcgee wrote:Does Saxi consider himself a religious person? Is he Atheist or Agnostic? Or perhaps... he considers himself to be a god?
ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
Dukasaur wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:The USA was founded on religious FREEDOM,
A fantasy you like to tell yourselves..jusplay4fun wrote:Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics,
Yes, Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics, by enlightened Englishmen. Long before the Revolution, Maryland was taken over by Protestants who swarmed its borders, used electoral tricks to seize power, and then changed its constitution to ban Catholics from political office and resume the persecution that Catholics had come there to be free of.jusplay4fun wrote:Massachusetts, as a refuge for what was called the Puritans (or Pilgrims).
Massachusetts was such an intolerant theocracy that at least two other colonies -- Connecticut and Rhode Island -- had to be founded as refuges for Puritans fleeing from persecution by their own brethren in Massachusetts.
Arguably New Hampshire could fall into that category also, as it was settled under Mass's hegemony by people who didn't really want to be harassed by the Thought Police in Boston.
New York, New Jersey, and Delaware were commercial enterprises by the Dutch and the Swedes that were stolen by the British through raw force.
The Carolinas and Georgia were founded explicitly as places for rich white farmers to exploit slave labour. Virginia was originally settled for different reasons, but fell into the slavery camp early on.jusplay4fun wrote:PA became so for Quakers (Friends of Jesus)
This is the only one of the original 13 where your thesis holds more-or-less true. Pennsylvania stands alone as the only one that was fairly true to its stated goals of religious tolerance (although even there, "religious freedom" still only meant "religious freedom for Christians").jusplay4fun wrote:One part of the religious freedom was that the dominant group wanted religious freedom for themselves, but not for others.
Truest thing you've said. The so-called "religious freedom" of the original colonies in most cases only meant for their dominant power group, and almost always involved intolerance and persecution for everyone else.
jusplay4fun wrote:That Protestantism is the best, as per saxi allegation: mostly fantasy by him, like that the sky is falling fantasy.
jusplay4fun wrote:bigtoughralf wrote:Sounds like the average founding father to me. No wonder it took the US more than 200 years of existing before it would allow black people to get on the same bus as white people.
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It is argued by some that Moslem nations still have slaves today.
bigtoughralf wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:bigtoughralf wrote:Sounds like the average founding father to me. No wonder it took the US more than 200 years of existing before it would allow black people to get on the same bus as white people.
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It is argued by some that Moslem nations still have slaves today.
You are absolutely obsessed aren't you. I say something about racial segregation in the US, and your response is 'what about Muslims'.
jp, are you one of the people in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oi1JdSPcIc0
saxitoxin wrote:Duk is right. Massachusetts was founded as a Puritan homeland. The point was not religious freedom, the point was freedom from Roman and Canterbury influence. Until like the 1740s only members of the state church could serve in the Great and General Court.
America evolved into a bastion of economic and intellectual liberty, but with a realization that those things could only exist in a society free from Popery. Which is one reason Jefferson was so adamant about the evils of the Roman cult. Religious tolerance was designed chiefly to stop communal infighting among Protestant denominations, prevent an interstate religious civil war, and free the Quakers and Amish from persecution. Only with the 14th Amendment did it come to equate with our contemporary ideas of religious freedom.
Rhode Island continued to have a state church until the Dorr Rebellion in the 1840s.
Popery finally became semi normalized when we needed to import vast numbers of Irish and Italians to settle the frontier and the Irish and Italians corrupted the national mindset and caused the nation to degenerate, culminating in the election of JFK who nearly led the nation off the cliff of nuclear war in service to his Jesuit master, probably forcing Gen. Curtis LeMay and patriotic officers to intervene to conclude his term in office.
The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom is a statement about both freedom of conscience and the principle of separation of church and state. Written by Thomas Jefferson and passed by the Virginia General Assembly on January 16, 1786, it is the forerunner of the first amendment protections for religious freedom.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government."
- Jefferson - https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 07-02-0011
ConfederateSS wrote:-----In 2000 A.D...A.D...Al Gore was screwed the same way Nixon was..1 State, 1 Gov...Who just happens to be , the Winner's Brother and son of a former President... ...Trump has the right to challenge... Hillary has never accepted Trump won fair and square in 2016 A.D...It is not crying to challenge the election...Here in Detroit, there was some freaky sh*t going on at the count at Cobo Hall/Wayne County...Trump isn't spoiled....Trump is a typical loud mouth New Yorker...They're all Jackasses...
-------- But like Nixon, who lost, and came back to win 2 terms....Trump is coming back to win, and pull a Grover Cleveland....Who and the hell , would of ever thought that would ever happen again..... Thank the Democrats for that(not the old school Dems. ,the New Democrats, Radical LEFT)...Think about it...If they didn't cheat in 2020 A.D...Trump wins....He would be done in January...Mike Pence would be running against...Gov. Newsom,Cali.... Newsom would kick Pence's ass... Democrats only have themselves to blame... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
saxitoxin wrote:Most of the condemned in Salem were truly guilty of witchcraft.
Pack Rat wrote:ConfederateSS wrote:-----In 2000 A.D...A.D...Al Gore was screwed the same way Nixon was..1 State, 1 Gov...Who just happens to be , the Winner's Brother and son of a former President... ...Trump has the right to challenge... Hillary has never accepted Trump won fair and square in 2016 A.D...It is not crying to challenge the election...Here in Detroit, there was some freaky sh*t going on at the count at Cobo Hall/Wayne County...Trump isn't spoiled....Trump is a typical loud mouth New Yorker...They're all Jackasses...
-------- But like Nixon, who lost, and came back to win 2 terms....Trump is coming back to win, and pull a Grover Cleveland....Who and the hell , would of ever thought that would ever happen again..... Thank the Democrats for that(not the old school Dems. ,the New Democrats, Radical LEFT)...Think about it...If they didn't cheat in 2020 A.D...Trump wins....He would be done in January...Mike Pence would be running against...Gov. Newsom,Cali.... Newsom would kick Pence's ass... Democrats only have themselves to blame... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
Hillary Clintin in fact made a call to Trump to congratulate on winning. Here is her full concession speech....I know facts are hard to swallow among the GQP people.
saxitoxin wrote:
Most of the condemned in Salem were truly guilty of witchcraft.
Not true; simply more saxi fake news.
Restoring good names
In the years following the trials and executions, some involved, like judge Samuel Sewall and accuser Ann Putnam, publicly confessed error and guilt. On January 14, 1697, Massachusetts’ General Court ordered a day of fasting and soul-searching over the tragedy of Salem. In 1702, the court declared the trials unlawful. And in 1711, the colony passed a bill restoring the rights and good names of many of the accused, as well as granting a total of £600 in restitution to their heirs. But it wasn’t until 1957—more than 250 years later—that Massachusetts formally apologized for the events of 1692. Johnson, the accused woman exonerated in July 2022, was left out of the 1957 resolution for reasons unknown but received an official pardon after a successful lobbying campaign by a class of eighth-grade civics students.
To what degree did one’s socioeconomic position play a part in the trials? Were any of the “elite” ever named as witches, or was this primarily the plight of the agrarian community? I find it sickly amusing that the trials were quickly squelched when the governor’s wife was named. Was this simply a precursor to Boston politics as usual?
In most witchcraft cases, the status and sex of the witch had much to do with who was accused. It began that way with 1692 Salem, but eventually became much more democratic as to who was accused. Many men were accused, as were a number of church members and upper-class types, including Philip English, one of the colony’s richest men. It is true that there was talk of several high-placed people being witches, such as Governor Phips’s wife, but this was only noted by bystanders after the height of the witchcraft hysteria was over. However, rich or influential persons who were accused could often find means of escape, such as bribing.
Aftermath and closure
Although the last trial was held in May 1693, public response to the events continued. In the decades following the trials, survivors and family members (and their supporters) sought to establish the innocence of the individuals who were convicted and to gain compensation. In the following centuries, the descendants of those unjustly accused and condemned have sought to honor their memories. Events in Salem and Danvers in 1992 were used to commemorate the trials. In November 2001, years after the celebration of the 300th anniversary of the trials, the Massachusetts legislature passed an act exonerating all who had been convicted and naming each of the innocent,[106] with the exception of Elizabeth Johnson, who was cleared by the Massachusetts Senate on 26 May 2022, the last conviction to be reversed, after pressure from schoolchildren who discovered the anomaly.[107]
ConfederateSS wrote:She has gone on shows saying she won in 2016 A.D.
saxitoxin wrote:There is indisputable proof of the existence of Bigfoot that no one can challenge.
ConfederateSS wrote: Vote for Kamala
saxitoxin wrote:There is indisputable proof of the existence of Bigfoot that no one can challenge.
Dukasaur wrote:ConfederateSS wrote:She has gone on shows saying she won in 2016 A.D.
You have an example to offer?
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