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Postby Coleman on Tue May 29, 2007 7:32 pm

Eyelidman wrote:This is a really awesome idea. You should put the legend under Europe since there would be no other use for the space there. What are the six colonies and where are their landing sites? I count UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, and one native american colony

I'm going to try to be historically accurate without compromising game play. So I'm still kind of researching and sketching at the moment. Like I said in the topic title, very early development.

I was planning on two native groups so every game isn't exactly the same while still preserving everyone only starts with one territory (except for 3 player).

Right now as far as natives go I'm either going with Iroquois and Aztecs/Maya or Lakota and Maya. I wanted Aztecs and Lakota but they start way too close together if I don't want to flip history the bird.
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Postby Evil Pope on Tue May 29, 2007 7:38 pm

Great idea.. I think it'll work.. I was thinking the same thing yesterday.. I stumbled upon my previous attempt at a "New World" map and read some suggestions(essentially suggesting something along these lines (i.e. small inclusion of europe)) and got to the same point as it seems you have as far as how the map would go.. Anyway, good luck.
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Postby dominationnation on Tue May 29, 2007 7:41 pm

this sounds like a great idea!!! i cant wait for the rough draft
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Postby Coleman on Tue May 29, 2007 7:51 pm

I'm not too clear on this. Were the Inca still around when the European nations started colonizing? Inca's birthplace is in the south western part of South America and would be more ideal then the Aztecs or the Maya as far as starting location for a native tribe.

I would really love to just have them all in and be able to say something in code like (of these 9 territories make a random 3 neutral) but I don't remember if lack was going to code that in or not.

Oh, and I promise I'm better then this, but since someone asked for a general idea of where people start this took 10 seconds:
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Postby unriggable on Tue May 29, 2007 7:56 pm

Cut off anythign above today's montreal and below today's peru. Don't ask. Just do.
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Postby KoolfuZ on Tue May 29, 2007 7:59 pm

Can you make it play "Jine the Cavalry" too? plzplzplz...

Coleman wrote:I'm not too clear on this. Were the Inca still around when the European nations started colonizing? Inca's birthplace is in the south western part of South American and would be more ideal then the Aztecs or the Maya as far as starting location for a native tribe.


Francisco Pizarro conquered the Incas, using their own extensive network of roads against them. That's all I remember from 6th grade Social Studies.
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Postby Coleman on Tue May 29, 2007 8:00 pm

unriggable wrote:Cut off anythign above today's montreal and below today's peru. Don't ask. Just do.

WidowMakers and I are already in correspondence via PM over him possibly taking over for the art after I get a good sketch done. I may very well do what you are suggesting.
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Postby johloh on Tue May 29, 2007 9:25 pm

WidowMakers and I are already in correspondence via PM over him possibly taking over for the art after I get a good sketch done. I may very well do what you are suggesting.

i think you should try and give it a shot coleman before you outsource the art...
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Postby WidowMakers on Tue May 29, 2007 9:33 pm

johloh wrote:
WidowMakers and I are already in correspondence via PM over him possibly taking over for the art after I get a good sketch done. I may very well do what you are suggesting.

i think you should try and give it a shot coleman before you outsource the art...
Fine with me. I don't want anyone to feel I am taking over your maps Coleman. :D

Give it a shot. Let see what you can do.

I think the idea is great and could definitely have some interesting game play.
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Postby riggable on Tue May 29, 2007 10:34 pm

sounds like medieval total war 2
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Postby Herakilla on Wed May 30, 2007 12:13 am

that sounds awesome! go for it!

the comment about cutting off unnessesary stuff on your map was a good one though. i dont know if your gonna use those parts but if you dont, cut them
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 30, 2007 6:06 am

Coleman wrote:Image



QUENCH! I kid this looks like a really good idea and I look forward to seeing how this map develops, especially if a strong bonus system is produced. It could almost be like games like civilisation where you have to build up resources in order to collaberate greater bonuses
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Postby hulmey on Wed May 30, 2007 7:52 am

How are you able to decide where people's starting position's are going to be ....I thought that was completely random???
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Postby The Random One on Wed May 30, 2007 8:30 am

I like that idea. It's something different. Hooray for new XML features!

Y'know, I've seen some map ideas that start with several neutral territs and the goal is to conquer them. Maybe one day they could be considered a different mode of play, like, "Conquest".
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Postby Coleman on Wed May 30, 2007 4:11 pm

hulmey wrote:How are you able to decide where people's starting position's are going to be ....I thought that was completely random???

Things will be clearer when I get my decent sketch done. Which will hopefully be by sometime later tonight.

Update: I completely suck at drawing. It's extreme sadness. Tonight isn't looking very likely now. I can't decide on a layout and for some reason I can't make the territories big enough even when I only have 25 or so.
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Postby tenio on Wed May 30, 2007 9:55 pm

If you want an extra country, try russia. I think they had a few settle meants in the West part of the country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... th_America
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:38 pm

tenio wrote:If you want an extra country, try russia. I think they had a few settle meants in the West part of the country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... th_America


I think I'm going with an earlier suggestion to cut out most of the frigid north and the southern area of South America.

This allows me to make the map wider instead of taller, which Andy tends to favor, and to focus on the more important areas of the colonial period.
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Postby Wisse on Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:37 am

is this a map in history or right now?
because if it is a history map i donno if you must keep new york to england or the netherlands because the netehrlands owned it first (called nieuw amsterdam)
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Postby Suicufnoc on Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:21 pm

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Postby unriggable on Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:25 pm

You forgot the yucatan belonged to the spanish.
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Postby Ban on Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:10 pm

wheres yucutan
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Postby unriggable on Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:12 pm

Ban wrote:wheres yucutan


Nice first post: it's the thing on mexico that looks like an erection.
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Postby The Random One on Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:15 pm

In before penis jokes - OH CRAP

I'm fairly certain that the Maya were from South America, more exactly the Amazonic rainforest, and that they were extinguished long before the European made it to the Americas. (Or am I confusing them with the Incas?)
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Postby Coleman on Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:46 pm

The Random One wrote:In before penis jokes - OH CRAP

I'm fairly certain that the Maya were from South America, more exactly the Amazonic rainforest, and that they were extinguished long before the European made it to the Americas. (Or am I confusing them with the Incas?)

You're confusing them. Both the Aztecs and Maya were previlent durring Spain's initial expansion into the new world. The maya were the first to go and the Aztecs quickly followed. Maya is about where he showed however. Spain origionally landed in Cuba and then expanded West into Maya territory.

At this point I think I'm going to make one of the two a neutral force, I don't like the potential for two players to start so close to eachother. Probably Maya will be Neutral.
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Postby Suicufnoc on Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:17 am

Unriggable: That was me, I didn't realize my brother was logged in.

I like the idea of making the natives nuetral.
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