[22-May-2006] Grievances and RSS

[Derwiddle]

Erm... Question:

Does the RSS still work even if you're not logged into CC?

[Haydena]

For the links... How about a less subtle green colour to match the colour scheme of the page... Much like the colour on the forums

[lackattack]

Boy, there are a lot of grumpy conkies out there today

I think we need to give grievances some time to see if it can replace the Ignore List. I like the simplicity of one list and I didn't like the fact that anyone could block anyone for any reason. But I haven't deleted the lists from the database and I'm willing to run a poll in 3 weeks to see if people want to split the Ignore List from Grievances. How does that sound?

And to answer some other questions:
* If you still see "down for maintenance" just hit refresh
* You don't need to be logged in to get your feed
* I'll see what I can do about the blue underlines being annoying

[wicked]

I'm willing to run a poll in 3 weeks to see if people want to split the Ignore List from Grievances. How does that sound?

Thanks Lack. I'd be willing to forego the ignore list if there wasn't a time limit on the grievances.

[Haydena]

At least with the grievances the nuisances can see who they can't play with... Just one problem... If someone leaves a grievance on someone, that person can also leave one on the other person, making it seem as though the person who first left the grievance has done something wrong, will these grievances be checked to make sure no false accusations are made, and that we don't get left a load of them?

Also, is people deatbeating a reason to give a person a grievance... I've a few I want to do...

[kingwaffles]

Personally I don't think the loss of the ignore list is so bad. I never felt the need to use it agaist forum trolls and such and they never seemed to join my games. Maybe I'm just super cool, but it never seemed a huge issue for me.

[thommo]

I can't get the rss feed working. I have a working reader, but am struggling with the exact rss url required

[zorba_ca]

Lackattack wrote:

I didn't like the fact that anyone could block anyone for any reason.

Why?

This was for the best. You had no headaches and the only people affected were those who were ignored (and why would someone want to play where they're not wanted?)

Players used to be able to keep matters private. Now confrontations have to be aired publicly creating the inevitable slippery slope of retaliation and cross-denigration.

Also, more monitoring is necessary, greater adjudication required and the penalties (e.g. public humiliation) are steeper.

An e-bay style rating system might be good (although abuse is both possible and probable), but I can't imagine why you would want to commit your time and resources and those of the community to playing kindergarten cop.

[Derwiddle]

* You don't need to be logged in to get your feed
* I'll see what I can do about the blue underlines being annoying

Ok, good. Thanks a ton Lack! Huge improvement - much obliged.

[niMic]

I can't get the rss feed working. I have a working reader, but am struggling with the exact rss url required

Yeah, I've got the same problem. Got a reader called BlogBridge, but can't figure out which url to use, or whatnot.

[mrdexter]

If you have an import feed function then all you need to do is click on the link on the My Games page:



Then click on import, in this example I am using BottomFeeder:



Et Voila, one rss feed.

[Lohner]

I think it would be fair if they grievences allowed for a rebuttle. I don't think it's fair that someone can be blacklisted just because someone got beat by them and wanted to get back at them. Just an idea....

[wacicha]

who said you would be backlisted just recently a player started flaming everybody on the forum but i got it a few times all sorts of nasty comments but most players here know how i play and most people ignored the comments except patroclus who been trying to get me on his ignore list for sometime anyways. most here will take each comment with a grain of salt (really old saying) so don't worry untill it becomes a problem then when it is a problem lack will address it like he has done w/ every issue this is something that most of the players have asked for.

[qeee1]

... nevermind. Am I imagining things?

[Cofari]

It might not be a bad idea for the community to begin working on a list of offenses and activities that the community can agree constitute suspicious behavior and may earn a person a grievance. This will benefit new players in that they will know what is and isn't approved of by the community. It should also help to stem cheaters because all players will know what to look for in terms of suspicious behavior.

As an example. Is privately e-mailing your team mates in a doubles or triples game to discuss strategy and tactics considered an offense? I would say no, and allow it as part of the game. I can also, however, see the other side that it is an unfair advantage, especially if two people play on the same team alot.

I'd also like to put an idea out to the group and see what others think of it.

Grievances that are not specific to a particular game and/or to a specific action(s) would be ignored by the community.

[lackattack]

I think it would be fair if they grievences allowed for a rebuttle. I don't think it's fair that someone can be blacklisted just because someone got beat by them and wanted to get back at them. Just an idea....

You actually can write a rebuttle that displays with the grievances against you and people should use the Response rather than filing a counter-grievance.

UTGreen started a topic "What constitues a grievance?" - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1687 and that would be a good place to come up with guidelines. Obviously, grievances are going to evolve as we get more experience with them.

[steel24]

3/2 Dugcarr will have the most grievances by the end of the year

[battletroop27]

so...those who haven't played against max_is_gr8 are unable to add him as a "grievance"

[Jota]

Will there be any way to cancel unjustified grievances? I'm thinking of cases where someone has been officially outed as a rule-breaker or where they're clearly abusing the grievance system (e.g. by posting demonstrably false grievances against people they don't like). It would be nice if there were a way for lack, Twill, or someone to flag problem users and prevent them from slandering the good names of folks who don't deserve it. (I know you can post a rebuttal, but that doesn't prevent the [2] or whatever from appearing next to your name.)

[niMic]

If you have an import feed function then all you need to do is click on the link on the My Games page:


Then click on import, in this example I am using BottomFeeder:


Et Voila, one rss feed.

Mine doesn't let me do that :\







Am I missing something, or should I just get another RSS-reader?

[zip_disk]

Personally I find using the Live Bookmark function more convenient than an RSS reader. It doesn't take up anymore space than the bookmark button on my toolbar and refreshes immediately whenever I open the browser.

More labor intensive if you keep the browser open a lot but that's not me.

[lackattack]

Will there be any way to cancel unjustified grievances? I'm thinking of cases where someone has been officially outed as a rule-breaker or where they're clearly abusing the grievance system (e.g. by posting demonstrably false grievances against people they don't like). It would be nice if there were a way for lack, Twill, or someone to flag problem users and prevent them from slandering the good names of folks who don't deserve it. (I know you can post a rebuttal, but that doesn't prevent the [2] or whatever from appearing next to your name.)

One thing I forgot to mention is that I plan to have moderator(s) for grievances. But I envision us only editing really offensive grievances and not investigating their accuracy or truthfulness. I'm concerned that it would be too much effort.

[Obsidion]

Hiya,
been on the site for a few months... first time posting
Wanted to say great job on the updates
Just one comment? any chance of adding in positive feedback too? I know a few people that were great to play against and would recomend them to others.....
wouldnt it be nice to be positive as an alternative to only negative?

[lackattack]

Well, I figured negative only because if someone double teams in 1 out of 5 games, we don't want them to have a +4 rating, no?

But allowing positive feedback could lead to a better atmosphere.

Hmmm....

[Obsidion]

sure i dont want someone to cheat to have a positive score..... but surely if they have done it a few times and people are adding in comments then it should show up as a pattern? no?
I like the atmosphere in some of my games where I have had a real chuckle about the cruelty of the dice... or where we are so evenly matched it takes one army to tip the balance of power.... Being only able to say negative things about them (bar the email feature of course) would kind of hurt any budding friendship
I mean i love Dugcarr like the next guy.... but sometimes ( and i mean very rarely) he does play a good game without insulting anyone.