Research & Conquer (OliverFA & t-o-m)

[lgoasklucyl]

well Oliver,if you want mine advice abouth what to do is next:
first-some people here in map foundry dont like Tom,and these is facts.
second-any experience map maker will not help you to create map,its true.
third-any not experience map maker who never create map will also have problem what to do-if he ask advice from tom-he will get warning,if he continue with present map he will be also warning. If he start from white paper,then these will be big waste of previous time spend on making these map.
fourth-Andy and CA dont want any discusion abouth these-just look last postes from Andy"happy new year,i hope that you find new map maker,sorry" and these is end.
Five-If im in yours skin i will just drop these to recycle bin,belive me its best option,because you will be free from all these,and spend your free time for some better things.

I posted a statement a few threads back regarding number three asking for legal advice from a moderator but didn't receive any. I don't see how a new mapmaker getting advice from someone outside of a map is in any way their jurisdiction if the ideas belong to the map maker and they are merely receiving advice from an outside source. That is in no way posting tom's ideas in forums, but the map-makers who needed help from a seasoned map-maker.

[InkL0sed]

Okay, as a new map-maker (I've submitted a map I worked long and hard on for the Central America competition! go look/vote if you haven't yet!!!) I have a question for you. If I (I'm not offering, merely presenting a hypothetical) were to pick up the graphics portion of the map, would I be banned for asking tom for advice on aspects of creating the map? Merely an outside-of-CC instant message graphics questions, as he has far more knowledge of photoshop and map making than myself?

If not, how is this different than allowing him to actually make the map changes himself?

If so, it's ludicrous to assume that moderators could ban an individual based on helpful advice supplied by a conversation that existed outside of the domain of their jurisdiction. I would not be posting his ideas on the forum, rather my own ideas that were assisted through the help of someone who knows more of a subject than myself.

My thoughts exactly. This is an inconsistancy with the rules that I see everywhere. We're not allowed to post personal information, including pictures of people, which seems reasonable. But we're allowed to post pictures of random people which can be found via google search? How do we know that person isn't on CC? The poster may be unwittingly posting personal information. The only difference between posting a random person's picture and the picture of a poster is that in the latter case, the poster may complain, which would prompt a warning from a mod.

And in this case, what if Oliver had simply denied that t-o-m was helping him with the map? How could the mods possibly know who was helping him with it? The answer is they couldn't know.

So, Oliver, my very frank advice is to take advantage of this loophole. Say someone else is helping you with the graphics, a friend of yours not from CC perhaps. No one will be able to object.