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Postby xroads on Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:29 pm

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So I have been playing in 2 big 1vs1 autotournaments, marathon cup, and map masters.

Somewhere there is a bug that makes some people go first most of the time, and others go second most of the time.

Me personally

Last 3 rounds of marathon cup, opponents has gone first 21 in 27 games. Map Masters the whole tournament my opponents has gone first 25 of 33 games.

So in the last 2 months, I have only had 14 of 50 allowing me to have the first turn. This is a 1 in 1200 odds of happening.

You cant tell me this is random,

I have seen others complaining about the same thing which makes me think there has to be a bug somewhere making this so lopsided.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Donelladan on Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:41 pm

You are only taking into account tournament games ? You also played a lot of non-tournament games I think, so you 1 over 1200 isn't really true is it ?
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Mad777 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:50 pm

It has been reported to admin already, unless there’s is a massive reporting from players, tweaking and try to even out the start turn randomness has been put on a low priority list so far. (I’m talking about Auto Tournament only)

Please don’t think this has gone deaf hear, just it may take longer than few of you expect to perhaps being rework.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:52 pm

Donelladan wrote:You are only taking into account tournament games ? You also played a lot of non-tournament games I think, so you 1 over 1200 isn't really true is it ?


Honestly I havent been playing many other games lately, and very few 1 vs 1
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:24 am

xroads wrote:So I have been playing in 2 big 1vs1 autotournaments, marathon cup, and map masters.

Somewhere there is a bug that makes some people go first most of the time, and others go second most of the time.

Me personally

Last 3 rounds of marathon cup, opponents has gone first 21 in 27 games. Map Masters the whole tournament my opponents has gone first 25 of 33 games.

So in the last 2 months, I have only had 14 of 50 allowing me to have the first turn. This is a 1 in 1200 odds of happening.

You cant tell me this is random,

I have seen others complaining about the same thing which makes me think there has to be a bug somewhere making this so lopsided.



Map masters is now 27 of 36
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:47 pm

You have got to be kidding me.

Marathon Cup Round 12.

Once again my opponent goes first in 7 out of 9 games.

FIX THIS!!!!!!!!
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:50 pm

The updated rate is now I have gone first in only 17 of 62 games. NO way this is random.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Mad777 on Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:01 am

Again, this is out of my control and it has been brought to webmaster, remember while you get this statistic for you someone is getting the opposit and will probably never come here to complain, therefore building a case against this unfair situation is tough...sorry mate, let's hope the other half of the tournament you will have the opposite odd.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:52 am

xroads wrote:The updated rate is now I have gone first in only 17 of 62 games. NO way this is random.



18 of 65, keeps getting worse
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:53 am

I have experienced this too many times and have even addressed it to BigWham when it happened in a FINALS for a Tournament against him where I went first in 1/5 games.... Just started a new Round of a different Tournament today(10/2/19) and am going first in 0/5 games!!! :(

Is it really that hard to make it automatically give players a 2/5--3/5 EVEN split (as even as you can get) on going first ( or 4/7---3/7, depending on how many games obviously) in auto Tournaments???

BigWham's response to when I suggested it... "there have been proposals for this but people did not like them"... and "there are many many things that could be done, that get increasingly complex, but i found that, surprisingly, there wasnt the apptite for it".

I'd put money on it that if you polled the players the majority would be voting for this change.... just read all of the game chat from that game I made the proposal to BigWham and see I mentioned to him how I was in a different Tournament at the time and had gone first in 3/15 games I played in it so far. 3 out of 15??? THAT is just stupid.

I feel your pain xroads ;)
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:29 am

now 20 of 71, odds keep getting crazier
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:55 pm

have gone first in 6 of last 25 games (1v1) in the Tournament I mentioned above where I started a new round going first in 0/5 games. And you can't really say that this will "balance out" because I have consistently been going first in 1/3 games in the "Map Masters" Tournaments too.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:52 pm

My most recent new Rounds in 1v1 Tournaments that recently started (since my last post on this thread)...

Went first in 1 of 3 games
Went first in 1 of 5 games
Went first in 0 of 3 games
Went first in 3 of 9 games
Went first in 2 of 3 games
Went first in 1 of 7 games!!

So 8 out of 30 :(
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:36 pm

Elaterate wrote:My most recent new Rounds in 1v1 Tournaments that recently started (since my last post on this thread)...

Went first in 1 of 3 games
Went first in 1 of 5 games
Went first in 0 of 3 games
Went first in 3 of 9 games
Went first in 2 of 3 games
Went first in 1 of 7 games!!

So 8 out of 30 :(



Next....

2 out of 5 games
0 out of 3 games (Semi-Finals)

Note* This is ALL without joining any other type of 1v1 games...

2 out of 3 games.... OMG!!
4 out of 9 games... balancing out?
1 out of 5 games.... NOPE!
1 out of 5 games... (FINALS)

= 10 out last 30... after 8 out of 30 and 6/25 =... 24 out of 85... :(
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:40 pm

Mad777 wrote:Again, this is out of my control and it has been brought to webmaster, remember while you get this statistic for you someone is getting the opposit and will probably never come here to complain, therefore building a case against this unfair situation is tough...sorry mate, let's hope the other half of the tournament you will have the opposite odd.



building a case for this isn't tough if you put some time into looking into the problem... If anyone is getting the opposite affect why would they complain about it? If I could show you multiple players that have gone first in 61/85 recent games would that really make a difference? Why is is so hard to just program it to be FAIR instead of "random"

I've started 13 more 1v1 games that were not part of an auto Tournament since my last post and I've gone first in 2 of them, so there is absolutely no "balancing out" for this shit and this IS a problem that NEEDS to be fixed.

If you join an auto Tournament where you are guaranteed to play 21 games (7 per round for 3 rounds) there is no good reason that a player should only get to go first in less then 30% of the games (6/21) and not finding a way to make it SOMEWHAT even is just pure laziness and a careless way to treat members.

Mad777 wrote:Please don’t think this has gone deaf hear


Well when admin don't reply... what else are we suppose to think?
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:35 am

I hear you, but for some reason it will not change

Just started yet another round of the marathon tournament and guess what. I go first in 3 of 9.

Same story every round
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:07 pm

USA Apocalypse tournament.

2 rounds, 6 games.

Opponent went first in all 6 games.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby king achilles on Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:41 pm

What about in other tournaments of your opponent? Does he also get to go first most of the time?
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:05 pm

king achilles wrote:What about in other tournaments of your opponent? Does he also get to go first most of the time?


it takes a long time to search each players games but I know a couple players who said they have gone first a large percentage of the time.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:00 pm

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king achilles wrote:What about in other tournaments of your opponent? Does he also get to go first most of the time?


it takes a long time to search each players games but I know a couple players who said they have gone first a large percentage of the time.



Would be nice to have the search engine upgraded. Pretty annoying to search for games... look at a game... then go back to search engine only to be forced to put in all the info again in order to make the same search you just did.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:41 am

Elaterate wrote:
xroads wrote:
king achilles wrote:What about in other tournaments of your opponent? Does he also get to go first most of the time?


it takes a long time to search each players games but I know a couple players who said they have gone first a large percentage of the time.



Would be nice to have the search engine upgraded. Pretty annoying to search for games... look at a game... then go back to search engine only to be forced to put in all the info again in order to make the same search you just did.

In a situation like that, if I have multiple games, I just search once, then open each game in a new window (right-click on "Enter" and select "Open Link In New Window")
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby Elaterate on Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:53 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Elaterate wrote:
xroads wrote:
king achilles wrote:What about in other tournaments of your opponent? Does he also get to go first most of the time?


it takes a long time to search each players games but I know a couple players who said they have gone first a large percentage of the time.



Would be nice to have the search engine upgraded. Pretty annoying to search for games... look at a game... then go back to search engine only to be forced to put in all the info again in order to make the same search you just did.

In a situation like that, if I have multiple games, I just search once, then open each game in a new window (right-click on "Enter" and select "Open Link In New Window")


OMFG how did I not think of this. I've probably spent close to 100 hours going back and forth through Tournament games of mine where I needed to look at the logs for the special rules/point system I had in some of them and this could've saved more than half that time I bet :( lol
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:40 pm

I am SOOOOOOO excited

Both CCU and Circus maximus I was able to go first in 1 of three games.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:32 pm

Back to the normal

Greece 1-2
Ireland 0-3

So if you are keeping track I went first 3 games out of the last 15 games in map masters.
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Re: auto tournament first turn stuck

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Honestly I am about to give up in this tournament. It is no fun playing when you dont have a chance in hell of winning.

It is safe to say I have went first in less than 25% of the games in this tournament.

When you are playing against good players, you wont win many series with starts like that.
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