CC is declining again!

[Dukasaur]

I have a simple idea that might help retention. This is by no means an answer to the larger issues of subscription cancellations outpacing new sub signups: Having an automatic re-subscription feature - in other words, right now people have little or no notice of their subscription expiring. When it expires the have to make a conscious decision to buy in again, sometimes after being booted from new tourney rounds ect. In virtually every other subscription business I am aware of they avoid this model at all costs. Don't give people the choice to re-subscribe every 3 months/year. Make it so that you collect their money automatically until they contact you to cancel their subscription( you can still use 3/6/12 months options for payment collection). I'm sure some players will read this and think its a bad idea, but lets be honest the future of CC doesnt live in the hands a few dozen players trying their hardest to get thinks changed to their liking. The future is in bringing in new players and retaining them.

wait... what you are suggesting is being dishonest with people and hoping that they don't notice it is a subscription, so they continue to pay until they cancel? like, they would continue to pay even after leaving the site and would have no idea unless they checked their bank statements closely?!! i'm just making sure that i understand this unethical practice that you are describing here...

oh wait... CC already does this and it is a hotly debated topic within the forums... CC also charges you more if you gift a friend premium, vs. buying it for yourself... yeah, to the tune of 10 dollars more!!! CC has milked this unethical idea already... however, if you possibly have more, even shadier ideas, you should submit them to an admin... the black jesus just vomited a little in his mouth...-Jésus noir

p.s.-i am truly hoping this guy is as sarcastic as f*ck and just got me... i really do...

No, he is not being sarcastic, because in fact, this is the standard business model that almost all Internet-based businesses either have adopted or are in the process of adopting. I'm sorry; I don't like it either, but it is the norm nowadays. Feel free to criticize this business model but please don't pretend that Conquer Club is somehow evil for introducing it. If you don't learn from the competition's tricks you are just giving yourself another handicap in what is already a very tough race.

[ConfederateSS]

--------First I'm am not referring to the Duk.....When I say.. High Command... Don't worry so much on charging people on a product that sucks.. Try a better or older model that works/worked..... "NEW COKE ANYONE" We are not trying to say make C.C., how we like it...mookie...We are saying put C.C. back to when everybody liked it...CLASSIC SELLS BABY!!!! Everyone in PR knows that...They also know ,give the PEOPLE, what they want...I KNOW IT'S HORRIBLE ..OH!MY!GOD!!!!!!!!..ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)....Oh,by the way...just because everyone else is doing it...IS IT RIGHT.. As long as they don't look,we can rip them off.. NICE ....Don't worry...Karma can see the right way soon enough...

[Metsfanmax]

I have a simple idea that might help retention. This is by no means an answer to the larger issues of subscription cancellations outpacing new sub signups: Having an automatic re-subscription feature - in other words, right now people have little or no notice of their subscription expiring. When it expires the have to make a conscious decision to buy in again, sometimes after being booted from new tourney rounds ect. In virtually every other subscription business I am aware of they avoid this model at all costs. Don't give people the choice to re-subscribe every 3 months/year. Make it so that you collect their money automatically until they contact you to cancel their subscription( you can still use 3/6/12 months options for payment collection). I'm sure some players will read this and think its a bad idea, but lets be honest the future of CC doesnt live in the hands a few dozen players trying their hardest to get thinks changed to their liking. The future is in bringing in new players and retaining them.

wait... what you are suggesting is being dishonest with people and hoping that they don't notice it is a subscription, so they continue to pay until they cancel? like, they would continue to pay even after leaving the site and would have no idea unless they checked their bank statements closely?!! i'm just making sure that i understand this unethical practice that you are describing here...

oh wait... CC already does this and it is a hotly debated topic within the forums... CC also charges you more if you gift a friend premium, vs. buying it for yourself... yeah, to the tune of 10 dollars more!!! CC has milked this unethical idea already... however, if you possibly have more, even shadier ideas, you should submit them to an admin... the black jesus just vomited a little in his mouth...-Jésus noir

p.s.-i am truly hoping this guy is as sarcastic as f*ck and just got me... i really do...

No, he is not being sarcastic, because in fact, this is the standard business model that almost all Internet-based businesses either have adopted or are in the process of adopting.

And it's not like this is a new trick. How do you think gyms have managed to stay in business this long?

[nietzsche]

selling steroids

[mookiemcgee]

I have a simple idea that might help retention. This is by no means an answer to the larger issues of subscription cancellations outpacing new sub signups: Having an automatic re-subscription feature - in other words, right now people have little or no notice of their subscription expiring. When it expires the have to make a conscious decision to buy in again, sometimes after being booted from new tourney rounds ect. In virtually every other subscription business I am aware of they avoid this model at all costs. Don't give people the choice to re-subscribe every 3 months/year. Make it so that you collect their money automatically until they contact you to cancel their subscription( you can still use 3/6/12 months options for payment collection). I'm sure some players will read this and think its a bad idea, but lets be honest the future of CC doesnt live in the hands a few dozen players trying their hardest to get thinks changed to their liking. The future is in bringing in new players and retaining them.

wait... what you are suggesting is being dishonest with people and hoping that they don't notice it is a subscription, so they continue to pay until they cancel? like, they would continue to pay even after leaving the site and would have no idea unless they checked their bank statements closely?!! i'm just making sure that i understand this unethical practice that you are describing here...

oh wait... CC already does this and it is a hotly debated topic within the forums... CC also charges you more if you gift a friend premium, vs. buying it for yourself... yeah, to the tune of 10 dollars more!!! CC has milked this unethical idea already... however, if you possibly have more, even shadier ideas, you should submit them to an admin... the black jesus just vomited a little in his mouth...-Jésus noir

p.s.-i am truly hoping this guy is as sarcastic as f*ck and just got me... i really do...
shady "subscriptions"

Perhaps you should go on Forums for the following companies and tell them their numbers are declining due to unethical business practices(no i wasn't kidding):
Netflix
Amazon Prime
Sales Force
Zipcar
Spotify
Basically any other subscription based heavyweight out there




If I was wrong and CC already does offer services this way you have my apologies... but calling it unethical is just another lark. Frankly, this is a business if it has an owner. He can only keep the site going if it actually generates enough revenue to pay the bills each month. The forum members seem to treat CC like its some sort of non-profit foundation, that should not charge because thats somehow dishonest or that they are trying to rip people off. Wake up people, this isn't PBS radio, and we arent in 1970's soviet union... if they dont charge you for the service the only other answer is having in game ads. Open ANY mobile based game right now and tell me it isn't littered with ads. Those are really the only two options, and I'm happy to pay my $30/year rather than look at ads for stupid mobile aps or hair care products. Compare the $30/year to your comcast bill. We are talking about $.08/day, vs your $5 iced frappacino at starbucks every day. Which do you spend more time enjoying?

If you want an example of dishonest/unethical practices by gaming companies, look up the revenue generated in 2014 by Mobage's game Marvel Heroes of War through 'in app purchases'.... It might enlighten you to how good we have it here.

[Serbia]

Yeah, Sirius does this too. I hate the practice.

Bollocks.

[ConfederateSS]

-----The High Command is removing The Honor of having served CC,combining everything.That's how they ROLL now. There used to be a Parade every time a Map was released in Announcements. You think they would try to End The Foundry on 300 maps. Nope,answer we are waiting for activity in the foundry. Even students in The High Command can't get a Premium Scholarship. I see one of them has joined The Blue and Silver Rebellion. A Great War leader...That is the only reason I have that worthless crap known as premium. To par take (represent regular joes) in The Biggest Joke known as The GREAT WAR. I can see having to get GW Tokens on the drop on maps to join T G W .But once you have won a game in T G W during a round. A GW Token you should get,without worrying about a drop. Nope, I log in to CC ,I get a T G W Token. That's just the tip of The Iceberg. I now have a superb understanding of Buyer's remorse...I will not make that mistake again. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)..."WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!" ...Next on our tour we will be traveling through the Mysterious 7,000's...Please keep your seat buckled and you hands inside the car.

------I see you are having the same problem. mookie...As you state in The GREAT WAR thread. Are you having fun? Are you glad you went gold...Sweet...You can invite people and play as many games as possible ..And???? Everything else is basically the same.(I don't care about poly.settings)...You think being a premium member you wouldn't be dragged through such crap...As token drops...IN SUCH AN AWESOME CONQUER CLUB EVENT.. CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE OF BEING GOLD? FEEL THE LOVE.. Yes, laughing smiles...That's what the High Command is doing to us behind close doors.....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).......But maybe you can give the High Command more ideas to keep screwing us over...I think they are doing a get job already though.......You can tell by the 30,000..oh, 20,000..oh,10,000..oh wait..7,900+ members......SAYS A LOT DOESN'T IT..

[Cakebatter]

I'm sorry if this has been covered...its a worthy topic that id like to add 2 cents but with nearly 100 pages already...im going to be a gomer and blurt out something that has probably already been covered.

I have no thoughts on maximizing revenue through auto-renew or how to get new members in here. The only area I can speak on is the attractiveness of participation to new members.

At one point, I joined and just enjoyed playing the games and didn't think much about ranking. Playing risk is fun! And hey...there are hundreds of other maps too! Cool! Hey look speed games, that seems fun - time to throw some money down.

Then something changed, I got hooked on the ranking system, and the idea of being a Sargent seemed pretty sweet. I spent some effort playing a few maps over and over. I devised a few basic strategies. I joined some games with some senior players thinking that sometimes the dice roll the right way and beating a bunch of high ranking officers would be a great way to level up quickly. Sometimes it worked. Often it didnt, and I made rookie mistakes that drew a lot of players ire. I met a lot of rude people scolding me for poor play. Some people on this site...need to go for more walks.

It is hard to gain new ground here on CC as a newb. There has been nearly 10 years of people sharpening their skills and learning all the complex strategies of the maps and all of their strategic variations. I am currently a major and there are 1000 players here with a higher score. There are only 8000 members here, and a large % of them are high ranking officers! Even a couple of years ago I was at this score in something like 700th place out of 12000 members.

Some CC'ers can take a lesson from poker players: be nice to people who play badly. You will beat them eventually, you cant get upset that a bad player gets lucky and wins in the odd game. Good poker players and casinos try to make the game inviting to greenhorn players. I don't think you have to change anything for the people who like the CC experience, but I wonder if there could be a way to buffer the poor or mildly ambivalent players that could make up a lot of potential membership numbers. Rookie games where only sargents and under can join?

I think a lot of casual players would enjoy the speed games. The speed games are unfortunately the place where peoples behavior is at its worst - Fire-breathing from even very experienced players. Vitriol really comes through clear over the internet, and some people are just here to have a bit of fun.

[elbitjusticiero]

The forum members seem to treat CC like its some sort of non-profit foundation, that should not charge because thats somehow dishonest or that they are trying to rip people off. Wake up people, this isn't PBS radio, and we arent in 1970's soviet union... if they dont charge you for the service the only other answer is having in game ads.

Strawman much? The argument is not between charging and not charging, but between automatically renewing your subscription and having you consciously renew it when it expires.

[ConfederateSS]

-----Or just tell you on the Home/front/sign up--page..If you're a New Player you have 24 hours to take a turn...You can only play 4 games at a time...Let people know what premium used to do...Premium is "X" amount...You have to buy about 3500 conquer credits. Use credits to pay for your Gold premium...If you don't want us to screw you every year... No one plays speed games anymore...They used to be 5 mins. flat...But thanks to all the settings,maps and changes....Sure like 10 people wanted to play 1 min. speed games...Speed games were to make you feel like playing in real time/a real risk game(I once had a 5 player 5 min. speed game last 2 and a half hours,man it was sweet,felt like playing a game on my dinning room table.)(But I love having 24 hours to take a turn also)....
----- So why in the hell would the High Command listen to like a few people,when it effected everyone. But yet bring back Flame Wars...Put Freestyle back the way it was...To make more than 10 people happy...NO!! We get The Great War...Just another reason to make premium worthless.. Get your Conquer Credits ready...It's that time again...Time for us(The High Command) to still not listen to our members and members to be...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Maybe when they decide to listen....Make Premium worth having again...Give everyone a heads up on how to become Premium...The RIGHT WAY... C.C. membership ,along with people turning gold.....would sky rocket......

[JBlombier]

Some CC'ers can take a lesson from poker players: be nice to people who play badly. You will beat them eventually, you cant get upset that a bad player gets lucky and wins in the odd game. Good poker players and casinos try to make the game inviting to greenhorn players. I don't think you have to change anything for the people who like the CC experience, but I wonder if there could be a way to buffer the poor or mildly ambivalent players that could make up a lot of potential membership numbers. Rookie games where only sargents and under can join?

The suggestion of Rank restricted games has been brought to the table more than once, but has been rejected again and again. You can show your support in the thread I mentioned, but I'm afraid it won't matter much. I'm generally not a pessimistic person, but in this case a realistic one.

[xroads]

With another clumsy change in the game finder, we will tank another 200+ players in the next 10 days IMO

[stringybeany]

Some CC'ers can take a lesson from poker players: be nice to people who play badly. You will beat them eventually, you cant get upset that a bad player gets lucky and wins in the odd game. Good poker players and casinos try to make the game inviting to greenhorn players. I don't think you have to change anything for the people who like the CC experience, but I wonder if there could be a way to buffer the poor or mildly ambivalent players that could make up a lot of potential membership numbers. Rookie games where only sargents and under can join?

The suggestion of Rank restricted games has been brought to the table more than once, but has been rejected again and again. You can show your support in the thread I mentioned, but I'm afraid it won't matter much. I'm generally not a pessimistic person, but in this case a realistic one.

Stratified games are one of the most common enhancements offered in both on line and real life games. It's such an obvious positive, it amazes me that the site continues to reject its inception.

[Army of GOD]

Berlin 1961

will they ever learn?

[ConfederateSS]

Berlin 1961

will they ever learn?

----The Germans...??...I thought it was because I'm on that map right now(the map is sorta o.k.,but we have to start somewhere.)...I see the KOOL smiley has an 8 in it.... So when I put 8..TA DA.. ... 7,900 btw....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[JBlombier]

Berlin 1961

will they ever learn?

----The Germans...??...I thought it was because I'm on that map right now(the map is sorta o.k.,but we have to start somewhere.)...I see the KOOL smiley has an 8 in it.... So when I put 8..TA DA.. ... 7,900 btw....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

You said it wrong. It's Zeh Germans.

[owenshooter]

The forum members seem to treat CC like its some sort of non-profit foundation, that should not charge because thats somehow dishonest or that they are trying to rip people off. Wake up people, this isn't PBS radio, and we arent in 1970's soviet union... if they dont charge you for the service the only other answer is having in game ads.

Strawman much? The argument is not between charging and not charging, but between automatically renewing your subscription and having you consciously renew it when it expires.

yeah, as a premium member that has been here since '07 (always having premium for the majority of time), i strongly feel that members should not be charged ... where did you even get that idea from? ha!!! the black jesus is amused... if this were a non-proift, why would i have given it so much money over the years? why would i have brought so many friends into the fold and convinced them to buy premium? why would i have cared and stuck around and paid for MORE PREMIUM, as the numbers began and continued to fall? your comments are just asinine and this blanket statement is highly offensive.

again, the argument isn't about charging, it was about how it was done. you know, like not telling anyone that you were doing it... you know, like people wondering what in the f*ck was going on when they were charged by CC without realizing they were going to be charged by CC... go back and find the threads concerning this. when you change how you charge people in such a significant manner, you should really make a large bold announcement, so people can see what they are doing. and, you should not charge someone 10 dollars more to buy premium for a friend, that makes no sense... get it together, people disagreed with you. i'm sure it wasn't the first time and it surely won't be the last... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

[mookiemcgee]

The forum members seem to treat CC like its some sort of non-profit foundation, that should not charge because thats somehow dishonest or that they are trying to rip people off. Wake up people, this isn't PBS radio, and we arent in 1970's soviet union... if they dont charge you for the service the only other answer is having in game ads.

Strawman much? The argument is not between charging and not charging, but between automatically renewing your subscription and having you consciously renew it when it expires.

yeah, as a premium member that has been here since '07 (always having premium for the majority of time), i strongly feel that members should not be charged ... where did you even get that idea from? ha!!! the black jesus is amused... if this were a non-proift, why would i have given it so much money over the years? why would i have brought so many friends into the fold and convinced them to buy premium? why would i have cared and stuck around and paid for MORE PREMIUM, as the numbers began and continued to fall? your comments are just asinine and this blanket statement is highly offensive.

again, the argument isn't about charging, it was about how it was done. you know, like not telling anyone that you were doing it... you know, like people wondering what in the f*ck was going on when they were charged by CC without realizing they were going to be charged by CC... go back and find the threads concerning this. when you change how you charge people in such a significant manner, you should really make a large bold announcement, so people can see what they are doing. and, you should not charge someone 10 dollars more to buy premium for a friend, that makes no sense... get it together, people disagreed with you. i'm sure it wasn't the first time and it surely won't be the last... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

Ok you can go ahead and:
a) take this as a personal assault on you, even though I'm clearly speaking about "forum members' in a more general sense
b) Ignore the entirety of the post, stating the fact that this is standard in virtually every modern subscription business. I challenge you to name three serious subscription business that don't!?!
c) continue to get great value out of your $30/year by spending it shooting down actual ideas that could have an effect on the decline of CC. It's not a solution, but it is a valid idea (clearly if CC is already doing this, someone who actually has a vested interest in CC continuing agrees)
d) go take a few business classes at your local Community college.

- The Vanilla Mohammed would encourage you to choose - e) all of the above.


By the way, Non-profits survive through donations. Literally people giving them money. You are not 'giving CC your money', you are purchasing a product from a company. If you re-read you answer, perhaps you will see that your passion in keeping CC is very much reflective of you treating CC like a non-profit rather than a company.

Now that all that's behind us, I will agree with you it is ridiculous to charge more for a product if its a gift as opposed to for personal use! I'm with you on that one.

[ConfederateSS]

-----No, like the High Command...The Vanilla Mohammed...Keeps missing the point...Who cares what C.C. charges. People would pay $50 a year,if THE PRODUCT. Was a quality one. Ideas are here to turn THE PRODUCT of C.C. around. They are ignored. Time and Time again...Go ahead...Nilla MO ...lets see you defend TIC TAC TOE...Instead of real product changes. You can't...That's what I thought... Not to mention things taken away,that have driven the masses away from C.C...All we ask,is to put them back...
-----As for the everybody does it... Everybody for 1,000s and 1,000s of years had Slaves. Yes I know...It's wrong...But everybody's doing it... It's o.k. to pull the subscription scam...Everybody's doing it... Yes,but for how long,till the masses become aware of what the world is doing with their money...
-----You are a fool if you think maps and settings are not the problem either. Keeping old and gaining new members. Yes, New Members...How are you going to charge people? If you can't put out a quality product... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Serbia]

Berlin 1961

will they ever learn?

No. No they will not.

Bollocks.

[2007spaceodyssey]

7877

[ConfederateSS]

-----I know, so sad. ..I don't know why they got ride of Classic Art and Classic Shapes...They should bring them back..to go along with CLASSIC... We have 3 Age of Realms that are just about the same. 9 USA maps...WWII Eastern Front..WWII Western Front...WWII Europe...2 Slovakia maps again...2 Europe maps....A bunch of others that are just about the same....Who knows why Art and Shapes were AXED..Maybe to keep things under 100 maps...Before the MAP explosion..Where maps were coming out . All over the place...Some people just want to roll the dice and get to fighting. Not try and read a novel of directions. (If the MOON is in alignment with Jupiter and a dog is peeing east on a Mexican beach..you get +5 armies. But if a zebra is swimming across the English Channel with a monkey on it's back..you get -3 armies)..I'm mean COME ON PEOPLE...STOP ALREADY. AH! THE GOOD OLD DAYS!! "WHEEEEEEE!!!".ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

-----I just seen in the foundry that no basic maps are ever going to be allowed. On a site founded on The Concept of THE BASIC GAME OF RISK... A map has to have something added... That makes me think of the worst car built. Every year the Great Minds at GM would add something to the Cadillac. I know GM workers who put PARK AVE motors in their Cadillacs. Because GM messed the Cadillac engines up so bad just to charge more money every year... I had an Idea to separate maps along side peoples ranks...You get and lose access to a map . As you lose or advance in Rank...Someone else brought up ,rotate them...Put some unused maps in a vault for a spell. Then maybe rotate them say ,every 9 months... I don't know If you could out right delete them. People might be on them for some time. As for NEW MAPS...What ever,basic or not... Only allow 1 or 2 a year. Let the C.C.Members vote on the maps in question...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
-----I looked at some I would like to see vaulted or whatever...I came up with 75...But that even leaves a great many maps...177...I just don't know. Might need to vault some settings as well.
1) 8-Thoughts
2)Das Schlous
3)Poison Rome
4)Vancouver
5)Route 66
6)Bamboo Jack
7)WWII Poland
Berlin 1961
9)Jamaica
10)Rail Africa
11)Chicago
12)Hive
13)Atlantis
14)Monsters
15)Dawn of Ages
16)City Mogul
17)Woodboro
18)Draknor level 1
19)Stalingrad
20)Duck and Cover
21)Dust Bowl
22)Lunar War
23)Extreme Global Warming
24)King's Court
25)Transsib 1914
26)Baseball
27)Antarctica
28)2011 World Cup
29)California
30)Quad Cities
31)Trafalgar
32)Madness
33)Conquer Rome
34)Portland
35)Montreal
36)All your bases belong to US
37)NYC
38)Cuban Missile Crisis
39)Operation Drug War
40)Africa II
41)Salem's Switch
42)Rail Asia
43)Prohibition Chicago
44)King's Court II
45)Eurasia Mini
46)Rail Europe
47)Rail USA
48)Dark Continent
49)San Francisco
50)New Jersey
51)Prison Riot
52)Sydney Metro
53)Philadelphia
54)Treasures of Galapagos
55)Labyrinth
56)Conquer 500
57)USA 2.1
58)USA Great Lakes
59)USA New England
60)USA Rockies
61)USA Southeast
62)USA Southwest
63)USA West
64)U.S.Senate
65)Vertex
66)Austrum
67)4 Star Meats
68)Spanish Armada
69)Promontory Summit
70)France 2.1
71)The Temple of Jinn
72)Rail South America
73)World War II Europe
74)Age of Merchants
75)Pirates and Merchants
-------Now lets hear, the NO!NO!..not my map.. Like Willie said............Or not my setting.

Berlin 1961

will they ever learn?

----The Germans...??...I thought it was because I'm on that map right now(the map is sorta o.k.,but we have to start somewhere.)...I see the KOOL smiley has an 8 in it.... So when I put 8..TA DA.. ... 7,900 btw....ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

You said it wrong. It's Zeh Germans.

-------7856 ...MAPS AND SETTINGS have nothing to do with the decline... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...WHEEEEEEE.....Or...Useless changes,that seem to help 5 people,but screw up 1,000's...These are all made up fantasies...Please continue...HIGH COMMAND... PLEASE... If you believe something to be TRUE(everything is fine,no worries)... It will become TRUTH...Of course ,it will be TRUE to 5 people. ...Hey,now you're talking real money. $150.oo .....SWEET.....Don't pull a muscle ,carrying all that WAMPUM around...

[stringybeany]

"In total there are 242 users online :: 215 registered and 27 hidden (based on users active over the past 15 minutes)
Most users ever online was 1533 on Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:45 pm"

Granted it's 5am edst but still, even in US prime time it approaches near that number. That was six years ago folks. Do you need more proof than that?

That said, I appreciate the dedication of the other old timers that are still lurking about.

RISK forever!

[ConfederateSS]

-----I see, in the past. It would be based on the online users over the past 5 minutes. It is now for online users over the past 15 minutes. WOW, numbers are being rigged all over the place now. I wonder how long till the online user number hits 99. 4,000,3,000,or 2,000 on the scoreboard. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

"In total there are 242 users online :: 215 registered and 27 hidden (based on users active over the past 15 minutes)
Most users ever online was 1533 on Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:45 pm"

Granted it's 5am edst but still, even in US prime time it approaches near that number. That was six years ago folks. Do you need more proof than that?

That said, I appreciate the dedication of the other old timers that are still lurking about.

RISK forever!

-----------YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME. ...FEB 16th BABY!!!!! ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).........RISK FOREVER

[elbitjusticiero]

The forum members seem to treat CC like its some sort of non-profit foundation, that should not charge because thats somehow dishonest or that they are trying to rip people off. Wake up people, this isn't PBS radio, and we arent in 1970's soviet union... if they dont charge you for the service the only other answer is having in game ads.

Strawman much? The argument is not between charging and not charging, but between automatically renewing your subscription and having you consciously renew it when it expires.

yeah, as a premium member that has been here since '07 (always having premium for the majority of time), i strongly feel that members should not be charged ... where did you even get that idea from? ha!!! the black jesus is amused... if this were a non-proift, why would i have given it so much money over the years? why would i have brought so many friends into the fold and convinced them to buy premium? why would i have cared and stuck around and paid for MORE PREMIUM, as the numbers began and continued to fall? your comments are just asinine and this blanket statement is highly offensive.

again, the argument isn't about charging, it was about how it was done. you know, like not telling anyone that you were doing it... you know, like people wondering what in the f*ck was going on when they were charged by CC without realizing they were going to be charged by CC... go back and find the threads concerning this. when you change how you charge people in such a significant manner, you should really make a large bold announcement, so people can see what they are doing. and, you should not charge someone 10 dollars more to buy premium for a friend, that makes no sense... get it together, people disagreed with you. i'm sure it wasn't the first time and it surely won't be the last... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

I think you might be literally retarded.